The gospel by the flying spagetti monster

one of my lectures last week realy made me laugh

it was on Evolution vs Intellegent Design

appatrently in the USA about 55% of the population believe that ID is how we are here and evolution is a joke
and want it taught in science with a 50/50 ratio of time for each
this for me shows how backwards this world realy still is

becouse by there reasoning is becouse living creatures are perfect there for god designed all living creatures
but truth is it could ahve just as easley been the Flying Spagetti Monster (this is no joke there is just as much proof of the flying spagetti monster as there is proof that god exsists)

check out The church of the flying spagetti monster

please discuss it would be interesting to see the beliefs of people here are

also did you know that Global Warming is purely a product of the reduced number of priates since the 1800's

This post has been edited by melly: Aug 10 2006, 10:29 PM

...personally i think it was evolution...the spaghetti monster could have played a very important part...but i think it was evolution

...i do not beleive that "god/jesus" is real/ever existed...to me "god/jesus" is just a myth/fairytale...it's just somethin that people thought up to make money, control people, give people something to beleive in...it's all just a story...think of th movie "The Village" where th elder people of th "town" had thought up of a story to keep people afraid and to stop them from leaving, to control them...

...some people NEED to beleive in something -insert "god/jesus" here- these people to me appear to be very weak minded

...also if "god/jesus" was apparently around before th dinosaurs why hasn't anyone recovered any remains? we have dinosaur bones in museums, right?

...and if this "god/jesus" stuff was real then we would've had cars, plasma tv's, Xbox's and all that other nice stuff from day dot...but we don't de we? no...all of that is all part of EVOLUTION

It shouldn't make you laugh, this creeping fundamentalism is a danger to modern values and thinking.

The agenda of the religious right in America is to dress up the creationist "blind watchmaker" argument in psueodo-science and dubious mathematics, and pass it off as a scientific contender to the evolution theory.

Whether or not you believe in ID, it is *not* science, and does not belong in science class.

The mere fact that people like George W Bush in America, and our own education minister (Brendon Nelson) in Australia support the teachings of this theology in science class makes me sick.

Next thing you know they will be teaching our kids about how the world was made in 7 days, fossils were faked, and give study notes on how to prepare for the Rapture in these pre-tribulation times. Along with book burnings, witch hunting, public stonings and putting women back in the kitchen where they belong.

ahah i love that pirate statistic!

There is already a thread about evolution and creationism, so I've changed the poll to reflect this is a discussion about Intelligent Design as a scientific theory -> not a God/Darwin debate.

If you want to discuss Intelligent Design, do it here.

If you want to discuss whether you believe God created the Universe, do it in the evolution versus creationism thread.

http://www.raveadelaide.com.au/forum/index...?showtopic=9880





This post has been edited by dbb: Aug 5 2006, 05:07 PM

stop global warming - become a pirate

who can ever know . either way its all speculation .

Maybe record companies have something sinister planned for global warming.... Since they're against piracy

What do you mean it is all speculation?

Evolution is a scientific theory - subject to the scientific method. It can be observed as fact, and discarded as fiction.

Intelligent Design is a creationist argument that uses fuzzy mathematics as a negating argument for a central core. You can't test for a creator diety, there is no experiment you can run for omniscience.

How can the people in the petridish detect the Lisa Simpson running the lab experiement?

Either you support the teaching of *science* in school, or you support oiuja boards, divining rods, astral projection, intelligent design, astrology and other mumbo jumbo.

the key word there being theory . there are definate gaps in the evloutional line that these science freaks have just filled in with whatever seems to make sense . im not sayin i beleive all that other crap tho the iouja boards can be a bit of a giggle . and many ancient cultures not only thrived but were extremely advanced for the time and based their whole lives around astrology .the mayans and incans for example . have a look at their cultures .at school or uni we r tought only what those in power want us to know . the church tells us only what they want us to know leaving out many significant facts that would change the peoples thinkin and lessen their power . unless u were alive at the beggining of time and have lived ever since theres no way to be sure . history is made by those who make it based on their point of veiw at the time . in ten years they could be telling us that we are all alliens from another planet .

This post has been edited by omen: Aug 6 2006, 09:40 PM

I CANTG EAT PARMIZAN CHEESE ON MY SPAGGETTII MONSTOER ANY MORE, THERE IS NO GOD







LOL

watch some doco on sbs last night on theoretical physics and how it is endevouring to explain the univese and all that it is/we are:

everything in the universe (if you belive the string theory) or quantatative mechanics/theoretical physics is set to chance, a random sequence of events comming together mathematicly by chance or probability

but it is happening on such a small scale in such a large scale that is can not be completley understood or explained (as yet)

this begs the question if it is true for this universe surley there are other univese out there running parallel where a similar thing is occuring?

and if this is true then it is not possible for any one diety/mastermind to create it all..

well not unless he has a really big graphics calulator...

creationism is a joke, i agree with that which dbb has posted it is a huge step backwards in the way man thinks but when you have backwards people running the world... this is what you get

i also think ID and creationism are quite retarded, for instance why would some supreme being create cancer, nuclear bombs, rapists and australian rules football?

that said, people are entitled to their opinions no matter how absurd i personally think they are

or shannon noll or guy sebastian or .. or.. or all the other things wrong in the world

The fact that there are still people to this day that are willing to throw rational thought out the window and devote their life to/believe in/worship something that there is not a shred of evidence to support, is sickening. How the fuck can ID be taught in schools when no one has any idea about what really happened.

Summary:

Humans are scared of the unknown and want to feel secure when we didnt have explanations for weather and other natural things, there was a god for everything.

Now we have Scientific theory, suddenly our ancestors were wrong (So did they go to hell too in accordance with our new theory) .. only recent generations went to 'heaven?' and whats left unknown is the origin and destiny of ourselves.

So people will believe that there is a 'heaven' and all they have to do is be good for this God mate of ours and you will go there... this goes hand in hand with the origin that 'ok, this dude did all of this in 7 days' .. we cant POSSIBLY have come from monkeys we are soooo intelligent, not animals at all.. we are children of God boo hoo.

As well as the fact that Christians tout their Christianity, while all the others tout theirs and they get their virgins and blah blah.

But sadly its needed for some peoples peace of mind, because dwelling on such topics is mind blowing (but oh how i love it ) and people cant deal with a loss of control and cant relax when they think that there may be nothing beyond.

I think we should just relax and smell the roses while we are still here with all the awesome things offered by our world wherever it comes from, we are far from deserving of an understanding 'the big question' .. (42?) and i think many waste their lives trying to ..


Sorry about the structure, im not gifted with the ability to express my ideas well on paper or out loud haha

This post has been edited by Parallex: Aug 9 2006, 06:20 PM

hey look
let em teach ID in science, but only if sceince can also be taught in religious education, church etc etc etc.
makes as much sense

OK, I'm going to ramble a bit...
Growing up the way I did (Catholic, Uniting and Anglican religions pretty much forced upon me) I have some interesting ideas on religion.
OK, I dislike it and due to my upbringing I took it upon myself to learn other theories, I believe in natural selection, evolution, some of the ideas of empiricism, blah blah ra ra.
However lately I have come across some people who believe wholeheartedly in God, believe He's in them, around them and that He will help them in life. However one of these people also happens to be an engineer. He's been scientifically ruled for a fair few years now and has a constant battle within himself to remember and live his faith, as well as constantly learning scientific values.

As Jayar pointed out, if they're going to teach Religion, maybe they should teach some scientific views within this. Of course, in most schools the only religion they teach is christianity. There's some quite jaded views on other religions.
Science in most schools is an elected topic. Just like PE, Drama, Maths, English, IT, Art and Social Studies.
Although in the highschools I went to, RE was compulsory until I was in year 12. Also in some of the schools I went to I also saw Hindu, Muslim, Ba'Hai and Jewish girls being told about the christian faith and no other.

I don't believe in God. I don't believe in the Jesus idea. I believe that he could have existed, as there's some evidence for it, but I don't believe that he was the messiah or any of the tales about him.
However if people CHOOSE to believe in something, go right ahead. I might have a discussion with you about your beliefs, but I am not going to try and shove my thoughts down your throat like some school topics do.
If they are going to teach this subject, they should at least allow people to choose whether they want to hear about it.

people need to remember at the end of the day, science is just a probable model that works in all known cases. This doesnt make it correct.

I do place faith in science, because it has a good record of being accurate enough to work with in modern life, but at the end of the day, I still have to believe in it.

I have to believe that the universe conforms to certain forces & laws, even when i cant know this is true in all possible circumstances.

Think about it this way - science is just a religion that people allow to rewrite itself when it is disproven. (eg newtons laws replaced by relativity, but nobody complains)

when nobody knew anything, they explained things by gods. if religion had allowed itself to be dynamic, it would have adapted to incorporate newfound knowledge into its faith.

in essence - science is just a dynamic belief system shaped upon the world we live in & our experiences. At its heart there is no truth at all, just the current best model for a given situation.

*edit* I should mention im mainly referring to christianity here. . hinduism technically encompasses all faith, science included; and buddhism goes a long way to allowing science to co-exist, unless you start looking at certain forms of buddhism that believe in evil spirits etc.

This post has been edited by Blitz: Aug 9 2006, 11:43 PM

http://theferrett.livejournal.com/519211.html

interesting, dinosaurs battled with noah on the ark??? is this what we want taught?? FFS!