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Evolution vs Creationism, Whats your thoughts!
dbbPosted: 28 Apr 2006, 4:24pm
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I think people look to God because they are ignorant fearful cave dwellers who are too frightened and superstitious to accept they are all alone in the nasty horrible uncaring universe.





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TROUb9LPosted: 28 Apr 2006, 4:26pm
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QUOTE(dbb @ Apr 28 2006, 05:24 PM)
I think people look to God because they are ignorant fearful cave dwellers who are too frightened and superstitious to accept they are all alone in the nasty horrible uncaring universe.
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Hence they need help and answers... and for some reason i dont think God is gonna ring up their mobile or scream through the clouds and give it to them...

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BettermanPosted: 28 Apr 2006, 4:30pm
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QUOTE(dbb @ Apr 28 2006, 05:24 PM)
I think people look to God because they are ignorant fearful cave dwellers who are too frightened and superstitious to accept they are all alone in the nasty horrible uncaring universe.
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i believe god created it

evolution is gods way of 'testing people' like said in the bible. give them a perfect scientific solution an see which are faithfull an which are not. a perfect way to test if you believe in god or not (to see if you are going to heaven or not), ie ppl like you dont, i still do, even tho there is no and has never been any proof. he's a sly one.
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JonesyPosted: 28 Apr 2006, 4:36pm
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Evolution is cleary the way things were created for Creationism is just another way for religion's to try gain more followers in these hard times (not many new "followers" no new donations) like any company or person they are lossing money and thier main way for getting more is finding more members to give money.
dbbPosted: 28 Apr 2006, 4:40pm
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So , your God created the Universe, then your god also created the human botfly (Dermatobia hominis) that procreates inside the eyes of the people of Central America ,
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and the Ebola virus.

If he/she exists, then he/she is an evil fucker.

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Apr 28 2006, 03:04 PM)
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ParallexPosted: 28 Apr 2006, 5:14pm
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QUOTE(Lasermad @ Apr 28 2006, 03:48 PM)
Ahhh.. and this is precisely why it was created, as a means to control the masses... to give a large number of peasants with very little enjoyment in their lives something to believe in, so they would continue working for the people in power instead of revolting in despair.


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In my opinion a large portion of the population couldnt handle the world without this structure.

One thing i must say, is the bible has some good messages in it, just the 'moral of the story' kinda stuff.. much like a childrens novel.

haha that is so ignorant 'im glad there are some smart ravers' .. why do ravers have to be inherently dumb? feeeeedddd the stereotype 015_tongue.gif .. there are many a smart raver i have come across... same proportion as any other scene id say... besides the MENSA scene 008_shades.gif

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RiceBubblesPosted: 28 Apr 2006, 5:14pm
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The Universe could probably be replicated into a computer if the computer had enough resources, so most likely we are just experiencing a computer program made by some computer nerd. So our God probably wears glasses, and looks up porn in a separate window.
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I'm not even gonna bother reading through this thread. I'll simply make my comment and exit it.

Evolution. Simple.

Coz seriously, what are you going to believe, scientific proof or a bunch of christian religous people that live their lives by a fucking book that full of stories that have been rewritten hundreds of times in the last 2000 years?

I mean really !!

We all know how the game chinese whispers works, and look how a story can change from person to person in Adelaide in a few days, let alone across the world in 2000 years!!! Dickheads!!

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QUOTE(RiceBubbles @ Apr 28 2006, 05:14 PM)
The Universe could probably be replicated into a computer if the computer had enough resources, so most likely we are just experiencing a computer program made by some computer nerd. So our God probably wears glasses, and looks up porn in a separate window.
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QUOTE(Catsy! @ Apr 28 2006, 06:16 PM)
Dog forbid.. what happens when his computer crashes?? hehe
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Catsy before you start please don't fill this thread with your useless banter, thankyou 001_smile.gif

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QUOTE(Catsy! @ Apr 28 2006, 05:16 PM)
Dog forbid.. what happens when his computer crashes?? hehe
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CourtzPosted: 28 Apr 2006, 5:26pm
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Also science has been able to prove the bible wrong, because believers used to think that the Sun revolved around the Earth, because they thought the Bible revealed this infallible truth. Science, however, revealed that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

Which makes me more skeptical!
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Catsy!Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 5:28pm
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QUOTE(Courtz @ Apr 28 2006, 05:19 PM)
Catsy before you start please don't fill this thread with your useless banter, thankyou 001_smile.gif
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Woah... back up hunnny.. i was gonna put in my views,,... woah... anyway

evolution.. i mean.. i was discussing this with a friend of mine the other day!! hehe!! talk about wow... but yes.. there is so much evidence for evolution... i mean.. even the animals around us are relatively similar.. in that we all have four limbs (excluding obviously arachnids, insects, etc) but im talking warm blooded animals here... i mean.. we all have similar internal organs, we are closely related to primates... there is evidence of how we envolved from them... there is also the fact that how could so many people have come from just adam and eve... why are we not all deformed as a result of being inbred??? but then.. aparently noahs ark..they were the only life left after the rain.. so we are all decendents from them apparently.... evolution all the way... how did all the various humans colours come around from one family?? not possible.. not to mention there are various religions also. I respekt those who run their lives on their lives on beliefs... but not those who initiate idiotic wars over it. Does thier religion teach killing and mass murder... or peace???wtf??

..and after watching dogma the other day.. hehe.. sacriligion at its finest!
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QUOTE(Courtz @ Apr 28 2006, 05:26 PM)
Also science has been able to prove the bible wrong, because believers used to think that the Sun revolved around the Earth, because they thought the Bible revealed this infallible truth. Science, however, revealed that the Earth revolves around the Sun.

Which makes me more skeptical!
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Yeh but if you ask any priest, they can argue any athiests PoV, a preist would say, the bible wasnt written by Jesus, therefore it has mistakes and is constantly updated.

In the end, any person could argue Evolution vs Creationism without an end result, from a logical point of view, Evolution is the way. But creationism can never be disproved. It's like getting a raver to believe that 2+2=4, they have multiple mathematical equations that dont make sense to prove their point that it equals 1.25.
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Catsy!Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 5:34pm
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QUOTE(RiceBubbles @ Apr 28 2006, 05:30 PM)
Yeh but if you ask any priest, they can argue any athiests PoV, a preist would say, the bible wasnt written by Jesus, therefore it has mistakes and is constantly updated.

In the end, any person could argue Evolution vs Creationism without an end result, from a logical point of view, Evolution is the way. But creationism can never be disproved. It's like getting a raver to believe that 2+2=4, they have multiple mathematical equations that dont make sense to prove their point that it equals 1.25.
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speaking of that ... where does 2+2=1.25 come from anyway?>???
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QUOTE(Catsy! @ Apr 28 2006, 05:34 PM)
speaking of that ... where does 2+2=1.25 come from anyway?>???
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Catsy!Posted: 28 Apr 2006, 5:44pm
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QUOTE(RiceBubbles @ Apr 28 2006, 05:35 PM)
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Bullshit... is there actually anything in the bible that jesus himself wrote??? i do not believe so... but then again.. ive never read the bible!

We have no idea what happpens when we no longer have life on this earth.. no one really comes back to tell us.. and those have apparently reached some sort of pearly gates and returned... we all dream weird things at some stage... not to mention the ideas placed into our heads as a result of tv and radio and internet, etc.

Whatever the case tho... we can debate and argue this for ever.. but we'll never know. Our minds are two small to even take on such capacity, our lives too short to understand. we will never understand our insignificance in the entire scheme of things... but will debate like it means soemthing! how weird we are!! we all believe what we want to anyway!! it usually changes throughout our lives! Believe in whatever it is that keeps you goin!! I dont really know what to believe... after being attempted to be forced to go to church... it has pushed me away... you cant be forced into having the same mindset as others.. just cos THEY think its right!

who cares??? we will all inevitably die one day!! make the most of it while your here!
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in my opinion major religion's started out like any othe ego-tystical cult, someone wanted people to follow them and listen to them, so people did,,, and snowballed from there. but thats my 2 cents.

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oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooook load of money

.... Jospeh and Mary seemed like a good business team when they had baby jesus

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QUOTE(Catsy! @ Apr 28 2006, 06:44 PM)


who cares??? we will all inevitably die one day!! make the most of it while your here!
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Haha this is your positive attitude shining through and i share this sentiment too, fuck working out the meaning of life and all that bullshit, so many have tried before and failed.. im just not a fan of the blind walking cult style that religion looks like to me 027_wink.gif
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oi.. in that case.. we should all start up our own religions...hehe... heres mine: the Catsy Religion... where all felines are sacred... LMFAO...yeah right!! thats like the flying spaghetti monster religion, im not kidding:

Church Of The Flying Spaghetti Monster!

Religion was used as a form of control... people were not as Out There as they have been over the last twenty/thirty years... so it is not like it did any of us major harm??? People who were scared... behaved!!!

The meaning of life: shut up and live it.... thats what it is... dont question what you are already doing... the meaning is to live... make the most of your gift... do you question why you receive gifts on your birthday.. or do you just acceppt them.... why should this be any different?? Live it up!! pArty Hard.. whilst you can!!

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nah,..... i cant be fooked doin sumthin so stoopid!!! plus.. i more or less believe in evolution.. so how could i preach a religion in which i am biased in another belief.. pretty silly!!!
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intelligent design and evolution are both things that require some belief imo. theres a lot of evidence for evolution but its all retrospective.. none of it is testable today as things seem to evolve at rates way too slow. also ive read places that we're no longer in a "natural selection" style of evolution anymore in the current world with human intervention. so we can never really test anything from either I.D. or nautral selection style evolution. pretty inconvenient 012_crazy.gif

but i would believe in evolution because it is much more convincing without reducing the world to funny unknowns and deities.

and religious people should never claim their explanations are convincing answers.. reducing things to a deity is only gonna result in more questions. i guess religious people are just comfortable with that. i think creation science is a joke.. either you have faith in God and don't need any proof or you are an atheist who requires solid proof on everything. what's the point of sitting in the middle?
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QUOTE(evo @ Apr 28 2006, 02:28 PM)
as a physics student,i can tell you that it is most likly that the universe "began" with the "big bang". There is much evidence to support this.  The universe has continued to expand and change over the 13 or so billion years and all that has happened is due to scientific reason.
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DeadpoolPosted: 29 Apr 2006, 2:18am
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I believe in a mixture of evolution and creationism. Except I think that the God(s) have lived so long that they have gone senile and their only form of amusement is to play annoying pranks on us, the human peons.
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Once I step back from it all and view life in it's entirety, I realise that whether it was creation or evoultion’s doing, they fucked it up. I see the eventual winners of this debate being the losers.

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Apr 28 2006, 03:12 PM)
Ok so if "god" created animals in a different way to evolution wouldn't he use a different form of genetic material, or a completey different genitic code. But all life forms on Earth use DNA and RNA as genetic material with a code that admits of only very rare and insignificant alterations.
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firstly, let's get rid of the notion of 'god' being some 'entity' separate from the rest of the universe. including the notions of it being 'good' or 'evil' or allowing those things to exist [as in 'how could god allow suffering.. etc - that's a whole other but related discussion to do with free will etc]

if there is an ultimate consciousness, then this universe is part of it, a creation within its mind, so to speak.

you're [if i read you correctly*] seeing god's creating in the same terms as humans create, as is consciously directing intention to 'make' something. like getting playdoh [the DNA etc] and making animals.

god [in the ultimate sense] may have created the conditions which allow for systems to exist and grow and change dynamically, leaving specifics to the underlying 'programming', which, to keep the analogy, is like creating the ingredients and physics of the playdoh, as well as the play area and allowing everything to interact and create whatever may eventuate.

secondly:
there may have been beings who interefered or created in the way you suggest who seemed so great as to seem god to us humans, but really they're just still entities as we are entities but on a larger or more advanced scale. but through history they're stories come down to us as god or gods.

i'm not saying this was the case, i'm just saying this could be the case.

*edit > wait i just re-read your post, i think you're actually agreeing with what i'm saying, plus i'm replying mostly to your statement about your parents believing their religion and evolution wasn't compatible..

most creationists have a problem with evolution as it seems to take god out of the equation, so i went on a tangent about beginnings of life and consciousness etc.. i think i've just made things more confusing, so i'll stop for now.. 003_wink.gif

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for the record, i think creationism with it's 7 days of creating and a human like 'god' deciding how things should be is bunk.

but i also agree with suni that evolution [or more so the beginnings of the universe with ramifications into development of life on earth] also requires faith, in that it doesn't satify the tenets of the scientific method, ie observation [no-one was there at the time, so we can only surmise from the aftereffects] plus it can't be repeated..

i guess there's really two different but related issues here, one being the origins of the universe and two, the mechanisms to explain how things are the way they are, plus whether either needs or requires the existence of some 'god' entity.

i think that's where a lot of the confusion in discussing this all comes from [haha maybe the confusion is all mine ;D]..

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t23.. super-intelligent cosmic designers who still obey the laws of physics (but not super-natural) are definitely interesting things to consider..
but i dont mind the thought that life emerged without intervention..

theres lots of things to think about if u have the time 001_smile.gif

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