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Bird Flu - Pandemic Influenza, Still want chicken for dinner?

techsta_girlPosted: 1 Oct 2005, 1:18amrecovered

So I'm just curious to what everyone is thinking about the Bird Flu (Pandemic Influenza) headlines popping up everywhere. Do you think it is the media trying to dramatise everything or is it something we might all need to think about, and sooner than we realise?

If you're not familar with the headlines; http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/asiapcf/09/2...u.un/index.html

there is also a "management plan" on the Australian Government Health department website
http://www.health.gov.au/internet/wcms/pub...lan-2impact.htm

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Estimates of morbidity and mortality in Australia

If a pandemic with an attack rate of 25% (ie 25% of the population affected) were to occur again in Australia and there was no pandemic vaccine or treatment available, over a 6-8 week period it could lead to:

* 13,000-44,000 deaths
* 57,900-148,000 hospitalisations
* 2,600,000-7,500,000 outpatient visits 15 .

The figures are estimates only and the likely outcomes associated with a pandemic will depend upon many factors such as the transmissibility and virulence of the virus, and the availability and success of health and social interventions.

Other good news is that if you're young and healthy that, you are also more likely to be infected and die!

peteKPosted: 1 Oct 2005, 1:21amrecovered

HI TECHSTA GIRL YOU ARE HOT

techsta_girlPosted: 1 Oct 2005, 1:21amrecovered

hot like a chicken with the flu

peteKPosted: 1 Oct 2005, 1:22amrecovered

and then some!

techsta_girlPosted: 1 Oct 2005, 1:29amrecovered

vote in my poll you drunk bastard

(I'm assuming your drunk)

ProfessaBPosted: 1 Oct 2005, 2:31amrecovered

so KFC is off the menu then ?

RobPosted: 1 Oct 2005, 4:31amrecovered

TCBPosted: 1 Oct 2005, 5:01amrecovered

i put down the second option. the media tends to blow everything out of proportion. they said there was gonna be over 10,000 dead in new orleans for example.

however i am concerned. who wouldnt be at the thought that this deadly virus could start being transmitted from person to person. very scarey indeed. hope im safe here in the middle of canada. :unsure:

RiceBubblesPosted: 1 Oct 2005, 5:05amrecovered

It's not real if you don't watch the news.

TCBPosted: 1 Oct 2005, 5:08amrecovered

like shaun of the dead if youve seen that movie. he's totally oblivious to everything happening around him in the world.

techsta_girlPosted: 1 Oct 2005, 11:25amrecovered

good plan, I think I'll just stop watching the news

BlitzPosted: 1 Oct 2005, 12:13pmrecovered

QUOTE(TCB @ Oct 1 2005, 06:01 AM)

maybe not .. . after all canada did get a few cases of SARS

I think it has the possibility to be a huge problem but its only a very small possibility.
Most news stations forget the "very small" bit

Mr SPosted: 1 Oct 2005, 12:46pmrecovered

Here's a picture of a mate that caught the bird flu whilst in asia and this is what he looked like after 2 weeks of having it
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Bright & FluffyPosted: 1 Oct 2005, 5:35pmrecovered

I think our biggest problem is if the birds that migrate from lower to asia to the top end of australia (Im sure there are at least 4 diffrent species that do that)

I dont think you actualy have to eat chicken to get the bird flu

its transmitted through contact with live birds

apparently the bird flu was found in aussie birds like pelicans and Gallahs in an asian zoo

Im not to worried I know there is something only a few years a way that will wipe us all out any way

why not be a muntant version of the common cold

ProfessaBPosted: 1 Oct 2005, 6:09pmrecovered

but dont forget to read the fine print:

there are no reported cases of human to human transmission of the disease, to date. therefore the only way it can be transmitted, is through contact with an infected animal which carries the bug.

Bright & FluffyPosted: 1 Oct 2005, 6:32pmrecovered

QUOTE(ProfessaB @ Oct 1 2005, 06:09 PM)

Yea but what comes under "contact"

do you actualy have to touch the bird

or just touch something a bird has touched recently ??

there are alot of sparrows n other birds around adelaide

our tree fuilled city could be our downfall

mellyPosted: 2 Oct 2005, 10:01amrecovered

watched an interesting report on 'sunday' this morning regarding this.

( http://sunday.ninemsn.com.au/sunday/cover_...rticle_1875.asp )

it's quite possible really and apparently Australia are as well prepared as they're going to be really. (not that it makes me feel any safer)

one thing they picked up on which i found incredibly interesting was the fact that the flu medication which is availiable, only 10% of the stockpile the govt has emassed is availiable for treatment. 90% of the stockpile is set aside for prevention of the flu for 'essential' workers. (ie, doctors, polititians yada yada). when used as a preventative, much more of the dosage is required for a longer period. now wouldnt you think if the drug is effective in lesser doses, you'd set more than 10% of it aside for treatment?

anyways, i dont watch much TV or news so i suppose ignorance will kill me. better than living in fear created by believing mass media

billy boyPosted: 2 Oct 2005, 9:37pmrecovered

QUOTE(Bright & Fluffy @ Oct 1 2005, 06:32 PM)

Yea but what comes under "contact"

do you actualy have to touch the bird

or just touch something a bird has touched recently ??

hopefully your not 'touching' the bird in special places, BF

Nurse RavenPosted: 2 Oct 2005, 10:01pmrecovered

It's not nice when you're flying home and see people on the same flight as you with face masks on. Made me have flash backs to "12 Monkeys"
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ProfessaBPosted: 4 Oct 2005, 12:01amrecovered

there has been 3 outbreaks of this virus in the last 100 years, and Australia was not affected by any of them, to my knowledge.

At this stage I think the media is causing people to panic, by not providing people with all the relevant information.

techsta_girlPosted: 4 Oct 2005, 9:49pmrecovered

QUOTE(ProfessaB @ Oct 4 2005, 12:01 AM)

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Approximately 25% of the population in the United Kingdom and United States developed illness. It was first notified in Australia in Victoria in 1919 and then New South Wales, where hospitalisation rates in Sydney for influenza increased exponentially. The virus retained its preference for the young and healthy in Australia, with 60% of deaths occurring in those aged 20 to 45 years. By the end of 1919, some 11,500 Australians had died.

Raver1Posted: 4 Oct 2005, 10:03pmrecovered

QUOTE(ProfessaB @ Oct 1 2005, 06:09 PM)

there are no reported cases of human to human transmission of the disease, to date. therefore the only way it can be transmitted, is through contact with an infected animal which carries the bug.

Shit!

A friend said he fucked some chick Saturday night. Hope he doesn't catch it..

GanderPosted: 20 Oct 2005, 2:49pmrecovered

To the majority of people on the board that appear to think Bird Flu isn't an issue (which is a really worrying sign), I present some drastic news: it looks like the virus has now mutated into a human to human transmitable form.

WE ARE IN TROUBLE.

Bird flu suspected in dad and son

GanderPosted: 20 Oct 2005, 2:51pmrecovered

The WHO fears the current H5N1 virus may mutate, acquiring genes from the human influenza virus that would make it highly infectious as well as lethal – possibly killing millions worldwide as the influenza pandemic of 1918 did.

Russia, China and Romania all confirmed new outbreaks of H5N1 this week, fuelling fears of a pandemic.

trashy_chicaPosted: 20 Oct 2005, 2:58pmrecovered

perhaps people might start eating better, take their vitamins and look after themselves?! ur at much less chance of infection with a healthy body, and healthy immune system...

trashy_chicaPosted: 20 Oct 2005, 3:01pmrecovered

QUOTE(melly @ Oct 2 2005, 11:01 AM)

watched an interesting report on 'sunday' this morning regarding this.
now wouldnt you think if the drug is effective in lesser doses, you'd set more than 10% of it aside for treatment?

prob cause they dont want the health workers and emergency staff (police etc) getting sick in the first place!! so if they can prevent em from getting sick, there is less chance of lotsa people being in hospital and not as many staff to help em.. make sense? *reads over* need my arvo coffee fix...

GanderPosted: 20 Oct 2005, 3:02pmrecovered

Add to that not living in close quarters with avian creatures - a species thats viruses has proven the most transmitable / transferable to humans.

Problem in Asia is how most rural peoples live basicly with the ducks, chickens etc, even eating those that have died from disease

BenJPosted: 20 Oct 2005, 3:06pmrecovered

hey... a little population control every hundred years never hurt anyone. unless your one of the unlucky ones to get the virus. Not me tho ill be living in a bubble by the time this baby hits.. oooh yeah

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NoddyPosted: 20 Oct 2005, 3:22pmrecovered

Wow, some chickens have died.

But, so long as its selling newspapers we're gonna keep hearing about it!

GanderPosted: 20 Oct 2005, 3:24pmrecovered

QUOTE(Noddy @ Oct 20 2005, 03:22 PM)

Wow, some chickens have died.

But, so long as its selling newspapers we're gonna keep hearing about it!

Nice ignorance there Noddy - to bad when this same virus reared its head in 1918 it killed of hundreds of millions around the world: Im sure that was just a publicity stunt to sell some papers!

NoddyPosted: 20 Oct 2005, 3:36pmrecovered

Im happy with ignorance. Its a more enjoyable lifestyle than paranoia!

GanderPosted: 20 Oct 2005, 3:39pmrecovered

QUOTE(Noddy @ Oct 20 2005, 03:36 PM)

Im happy with ignorance. Its a more enjoyable lifestyle than paranoia!

Each to their own - I would rather be informed and alive personaly

^NEMESIS^Posted: 20 Oct 2005, 3:41pmrecovered

QUOTE(BenJ @ Oct 20 2005, 03:06 PM)

Not me tho ill be living in a bubble by the time this baby hits.. oooh yeah
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Hey where would one buy a bubble like that, could come in handy.....

GanderPosted: 20 Oct 2005, 3:42pmrecovered

QUOTE(^NEMESIS^ @ Oct 20 2005, 03:41 PM)

Hey where would one buy a bubble like that, could come in handy.....

Dutching tent?

^NEMESIS^Posted: 20 Oct 2005, 3:45pmrecovered

QUOTE(Gander @ Oct 20 2005, 03:42 PM)

Dutching tent?

He he....

PlurstyPosted: 20 Oct 2005, 3:55pmrecovered

I'm more concerned about Bird HPV and Bird Chlamidia.

TurbulencePosted: 20 Oct 2005, 4:03pmrecovered

I thought Chicken Soup was always a good remedy for the flu - maybe its karma...

mmmmm... chicken....

Bright & FluffyPosted: 20 Oct 2005, 4:09pmrecovered

QUOTE(Gander @ Oct 20 2005, 03:39 PM)

Each to their own - I would rather be informed and alive personaly

Its Just yet another Population control

when it hits I dont think we are gonna have much chance

When it is your time to go nothing is gonna stop that from happening !!!

SpadgePosted: 21 Oct 2005, 9:10amrecovered

Media beatup no doubt about it

im having chicken schnitzel for dinner tonight and cant wait!

GanderPosted: 21 Oct 2005, 9:31amrecovered

For the record, there is NOTHING dangerous about eating chicken in Australia atm, as we have no recorded incidents of H5N1. The 60 or so who have been infected in SE Asia were as a result of either living in far too closer quarters with birds or actually eating the flesh of dead or diseased birds.

And yes, of course the media is going to ride this issue much like they do any current affair that raises fear and curiosity in the general public - thats their favourite game.

The issue that is of greatest concern is that as an avian virus, there is NOTHING we can do to stop migratory birds bringing it into Australia and spreading it amongst our native avian population.

For those who want some solid facts on this issue, PM for a white paper prepared for the British politicians to better inform them.

SpadgePosted: 21 Oct 2005, 9:34amrecovered

QUOTE(Gander @ Oct 21 2005, 09:31 AM)

Yes there have been 60 or so infections...
What gets me is that the "predictions" going around at the moment is that 150 million people could die from this disease

someone want to tell me where the fuck they picked that figure from?
to me that proves what a crock of shit this is...

60 people... 150 million people...

its typical "think of a number and double it" media shit
tomorrow it will be 200 million then next week 1 kazillion people

fuck em

i feel like chicken tonight like chicken tonight!

BlondeyPosted: 21 Oct 2005, 9:39amrecovered

in most cases eating chicken even from a diseased bird will not give you the illness because I have read that as long as the chicken has been cooked correctly then the disease will not be carried on.

I could be wrong.....its just what i read!

The gov had a conference last week. There is an action plane and policys in place already for precautionary measures and also what to do if a diseased bird does turn up here. I think i read that a lot of the migratory birds that come to Australia from Asia will not make it here mainly cos the illness would not make them strong enough to survive the trip.

but who knows what could happen? i think itl be fine....hopefully!

GanderPosted: 21 Oct 2005, 9:39amrecovered

QUOTE(Spadge @ Oct 21 2005, 09:34 AM)

Yes there have been 60 or so infections...
What gets me is that the "predictions" going around at the moment is that 150 million people could die from this disease

That figure is extrapolated from the 1918 Spanish flu (identical avian virus) that killed an estimated 56 million people world wide. The figure was adjusted by the U.S. Center for Disease Control (used in the movie Outbreak) by permitting for the significant rise in the worlds population over the past century.

GanderPosted: 21 Oct 2005, 2:37pmrecovered

World Health Organisation plays down bird flu fears

Some reassuring news from the WHO

BenJPosted: 21 Oct 2005, 2:40pmrecovered

QUOTE(Gander @ Oct 21 2005, 09:39 AM)

That figure is extrapolated from the 1918 Spanish flu (identical avian virus) that killed an estimated 118 million people world wide. The figure was adjusted by the U.S. Center for Disease Control (used in the movie Outbreak) by permitting for the significant rise in the worlds population over the past century.

did they factor in a raise in sanitation, health standards, medical preperation, technology, emergency response times and all that crap? 150 million seems a little unrealistic, i do understand 3rd world countries will be most at risk but still...

SpadgePosted: 21 Oct 2005, 2:41pmrecovered

QUOTE(Gander @ Oct 21 2005, 09:39 AM)

yeah and medicine hasnt progressed at all in the last 87 years

GanderPosted: 21 Oct 2005, 2:53pmrecovered

No matter how advanced our medical and sanitation standards have come, everyone still gets the flu.

This is because the Flu is constantly evolving and re-expressing different antigen proteins on its exterior (these receptors are how our body recognises the flu as an invader). Have you ever noticed how when your around someone with a cold or flu, sometimes you just don’t seem to get it? This is because you usually only get a single type (variant) of a flu once. As you immune system remembers most infections you get, the flu must recombine either its own DNA or with the DNA of another virus to form a new variant that you have no resistance to.

This is why the flu shot you receive varies EVERY year - it is made to fight the flu types / variants that were prevalent during the other hemisphere's previous winter – these are most often the types that then cross the hemisphere in our following winter.

The flu also cant be stopped as its evloved to utilise the most effective forms of human-to-human transmission, by travelling in our respiratory & olfactory organs (eg via when we sneeze, breath, cough, touch our mouth etc).

The fear with H5N1 is that someone who gets infected WHILE they also have the a common human flu, these two will recombine & mutate: resulting in a virus with the destructive force of avian bird flu, but with the ease of human –to-human transmission of the common flu.

Glad my immunology & virology degree has found some uses!

LovelyDriftPosted: 21 Oct 2005, 2:57pmrecovered

I agree 100% with Ganders last post, well said Gander

SpadgePosted: 21 Oct 2005, 3:00pmrecovered

ganders convinced me to purchase a quarantine bubble to spend the rest of my life in

perhaps whacko jacko wasnt so whacko for wearing his face mask when he was in public

seriously we live in a society of hypochondriacs

JonesyPosted: 25 Oct 2005, 4:16pm

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I warned you all and everyone thought i was crazy :)

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QUOTE(Gander @ Oct 21 2005, 09:31 AM)

Nothing wrong with eating chicken anywhere in the world problem comes in when you are in contact with live birds affected with the virus, there dropings and becaying boddies.

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QUOTE(Jonesy @ Oct 25 2005, 04:21 PM)

Nothing wrong with eating chicken anywhere in the world

Chicken is possibly the best food type media for the growth and transferance of disease, bacteria & viruses due to (in part) its high protein content and agar like texture. Unless it is properly cooked at over one hundred degrees for an appropriate length of time, it is still highly infectious.

In many third world countries chicken is the main or only affordable source of meat, and cooking facilities are far from hygenic - this is a part of the concern for bird flu's spread through SE Asia. But at the moment, as has been pointed out, close contact with diseased birds the is most obvious and likely way to get the disease

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QUOTE(Gander @ Oct 25 2005, 04:34 PM)

:huh: i heard chicken had to be cooked over 70 degrees to be safe

*dies after eating chicken at 70 degrees*

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QUOTE(Trasor @ Nov 3 2005, 12:36 PM)

:huh: i heard chicken had to be cooked over 70 degrees to be safe

*dies after eating chicken at 70 degrees*

64+ degrees is safe

GanderPosted: 3 Nov 2005, 12:48pm

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QUOTE(Trasor @ Nov 3 2005, 12:36 PM)

:huh: i heard chicken had to be cooked over 70 degrees to be safe

*dies after eating chicken at 70 degrees*

Your probably right - can't say I know much about the specific bugs that live in chicken. The important message is that unless cooked properly, chicken meat can hold a myriad of nasty bugs.

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I fear the bird flu as I am a chicken

LovelyDriftPosted: 4 Nov 2005, 4:34pm

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QUOTE(Jonesy @ Oct 25 2005, 04:21 PM)

Nothing wrong with eating chicken anywhere in the world problem comes in when you are in contact with live birds affected with the virus, there dropings and becaying boddies.

Nice avatar dude, Mao gives his regards. :)

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:) they are coming LOLZ :)

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LovelyDriftPosted: 4 Nov 2005, 5:05pm

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Too late, their 1st step in world domination started in 1979, with the birth of a certain individual, who's name shall be kept secret for communist reasons. :shear:

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i eat chicken today... now i'm feel ill.. omg omg i'm dieing, i'm dieing.. o wait that's just hype.. after a burp i feel much better.

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QUOTE(LovelyDrift @ Nov 4 2005, 05:05 PM)

Too late, their 1st step in world domination started in 1979, with the birth of a certain individual, who's name shall be kept secret for communist reasons. :shear:

Your a man in the know :shear: sssshhhhhh they are watching :alien:

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QUOTE(Gander @ Nov 3 2005, 12:48 PM)

Your probably right - can't say I know much about the specific bugs that live in chicken. The important message is that unless cooked properly, chicken meat can hold a myriad of nasty bugs.

so the message here is DONT eat chicken

i prefer red meat anyways :)

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QUOTE(Trasor @ Nov 7 2005, 01:33 PM)

so the message here is DONT eat chicken

i prefer red meat anyways :)

The more I learn about the mass chicken production industry, the less I wanna eat it :sick:
But at the end of the day, you WONT get bird flu from eating chicken in Aus.

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if chicks stop kissing for awhile this bird flu may pass....

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QUOTE(LovelyDrift @ Nov 4 2005, 05:05 PM)

Too late, their 1st step in world domination started in 1979, with the birth of a certain individual, who's name shall be kept secret for communist reasons. :shear:

hah!

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On a lighter note..

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QUOTE(Gander @ Nov 7 2005, 12:40 PM)

The more I learn about the mass chicken production industry, the less I wanna eat it :sick:

same :mellow:

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im living in a 3rd world country so i dont dare eat chicken or eggs. i dont wanna end up looking like my avatar :unsure: :err:

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If street dealers used the same tatics as governments and the media do to sell drugs we would all be fuckedup right now. Oh wait...

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China's 'first' human bird flu case

First signs that H5N1 is in the process of shifting to become human transmitable :(

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I own a bar and I've been reading the opinions in http://www.birdfluinsider.com

I'm not only worried about getting bird flu. I'm worried about going out of business.

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QUOTE(Mr S @ Oct 1 2005, 12:46 PM)

Here's a picture of a mate that caught the bird flu whilst in asia and this is what he looked like after 2 weeks of having it

lol

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QUOTE(Phunkii @ Oct 20 2005, 03:55 PM)

I'm more concerned about Bird HPV and Bird Chlamidia.

i'm more worried about a bird shitting on me to be honest!

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just asking for trouble:

lol

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think I caught bird flu the other day, cya all at enchanted! :teehee:

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Before we all turn our backs on eating chicken cuz the media's got us shitscared let's not forget that chicken meat is rich in tryptophan which is converted into 5-hydroxy-Tryptophan which is then converted into -hydroxy-Tryptomine (serotonin) which comes in handy after a big weekend.

techsta_girlPosted: 20 Dec 2005, 11:17pm

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so anyway, i thought we were all going to be dead by now

what happened?

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QUOTE(techsta_girl @ Dec 20 2005, 11:17 PM)

so anyway, i thought we were all going to be dead by now

what happened?

Yeah, you started this Shit...

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:shear:

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QUOTE(toadshroom @ Dec 4 2005, 09:41 PM)

your a geek but you make sense...you must be a narc! :blink:

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can we get a new poll for da main page

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why isn't the poll option "chicken is still my favourite food"?
coz i would've voted for that - no question

i had chicken for dinner last night, and will have it for dinner again wednesday night too.

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QUOTE(jjcoolaus @ Jan 30 2006, 08:33 PM)

Why not Chicken Tonight :lol:

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Hi friend
Before we all turn our backs on eating chicken cuz the media's got us whiskered let's not forget that chicken meat is rich in tryptophan which is converted into 5-hydroxy-Tryptophan which is then converted into -hydroxy-Tryptomine, so it is very important to concentrate on taking as food chicken, because the chicken is most harmful food in the case of bird flu infection, for removing of the bird flu infection take tamiflu drug for more information see- http://www.drugdelivery.ca/s3353-s-tamiflu.aspx
Use it and got benefited.