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should we pay for water
cavraverPosted: 7 Jan 2007, 10:57pm
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i went to a restaurant for dinner last nite and we were charged for tap water is this the norm? what is it all about? is it even legal to do so?what r others opinions on this topic?
~Em~Posted: 7 Jan 2007, 11:07pm
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they can't charge for water, but they can charge for the service

subboPosted: 7 Jan 2007, 11:10pm
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fuck yeh ...

everything comes at a cost these days
techno_bunnyPosted: 7 Jan 2007, 11:16pm
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Exactly...You get water, in a glass, that someone has to prepare for you and then serve you...You pay for the washing of the glass and the time it took for that person to serve and wait on you...
cavraverPosted: 7 Jan 2007, 11:22pm
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i just found it strange as i ve never been to any other restaurant that has charged me for tap water
subboPosted: 7 Jan 2007, 11:25pm
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was it the filtered tap water tho?? those things arent cheap to put in either


Mr SPosted: 7 Jan 2007, 11:28pm
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by 2010 it will probably cost us $5 a day to shower and flush the toilet
techno_bunnyPosted: 7 Jan 2007, 11:31pm
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QUOTE(cavraver @ Jan 7 2007, 11:22 PM) *

i just found it strange as i ve never been to any other restaurant that has charged me for tap water

Well it depends where ya go then doesn't it?

I worked at Zazas Cafe and there was actually a Piccadilly thingo there that was complimentary for the customers...

You could either pay $2.80 for a bottle of water or have as many glasses as you liked for free, and if you were eatting in we would offer them some ice with it too...Specially on the hot days...
cavraverPosted: 7 Jan 2007, 11:32pm
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QUOTE(subbo @ Jan 7 2007, 11:25 PM) *

was it the filtered tap water tho?? those things arent cheap to put in either



fuck knows mate, but id say so
it didnt taste like ur usual crappy adelaide water


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Mr S Posted Today, 11:28 PM
by 2010 it will probably cost us $5 a day to shower and flush the toilet


and that wouldnt surprise me either thats if we have any water left
DecepticonPosted: 7 Jan 2007, 11:36pm
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wait till someone dies coz some tight ass place charged for water and the tightass raver couldnt afford to pay for it

will happen one day then the place will get their arses sued off

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march EPosted: 7 Jan 2007, 11:43pm
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at one place i work we sell bottles of water unless they specify they want tap water.
alexb618Posted: 8 Jan 2007, 8:07am
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what sort of scab orders tap water at a restaurant!

did you get a doggy bag too?!
michPosted: 8 Jan 2007, 8:16am
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given how people blatantly disregard water restrictions I think people should pay for it, sure it's only one glass of tap water but think about it in the view of every patron requesting free water and look at how this could effect the business owners water usage. Water is a precious resource and getting more so by the day... don't be friggin tight if you're asked to pay for it do so!!!!
LightningChyldPosted: 8 Jan 2007, 8:17am
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Not so much paying for restaurant water, but what does everyone think about raising the fees for general water use?

I see so many people with their sprinklers on at midday, maybe charging more would curb this.
cammyxxooPosted: 8 Jan 2007, 8:20am
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Thought this was about the 'drought leaving no one out' not about having to pay 50c for a glass of water

Never been somewhere where I've had to pay for the water that is on the table, usually if they ask still or sparkling you pay for sparkling. However, yesterday I paid $2.70 for post mix in a glass..! Fuck that. I'm ropable!

Regarding water wastage tho, the best way to stop us using water at a crazy rate is to have some type of timer or cut off switch on our showers etc and only get so much water given to us based on the number of people per household.

And if you're a fat cnt, too bad - wash yourself faster or lose weight

QUOTE(LightningChyld @ Jan 8 2007, 08:17 AM) *

I see so many people with their sprinklers on at midday, maybe charging more would curb this.


Dob them in!

It's not that hard to follow the rules and water once a week.
alexb618Posted: 8 Jan 2007, 8:22am
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water restrictions are a bunch of wank - residential water use accounts for less than 10% of the entire country's water usage.

water costs SFA. serving tap water in a restaurant would have absolutely zero effect on their bottom line, it costs more to flush a toilet than it does to have 20 glasses of tap water.

if they want to charge for serving it, good on them. only a total scab would complain about it.
LightningChyldPosted: 8 Jan 2007, 8:26am
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What does everyone think about the Melbourne water police. They have the ability to come to your property and reduce your water pressure to enough to only dampen a washcloth, not have a full shower.

I was thinking this could have bad repercussions on people who want a simple drink of water. However they're only enforcing this in repeat offender homes and businesses.
alexb618Posted: 8 Jan 2007, 8:30am
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the resources would be better spent buying out all the cotton & rice fields. both cotton and rice are cheaper to import (no prizes for guessing why) and the imported product is generally a much better quality.

much like 'peak oil', 'water restrictions' for residential areas is just fear mongering.
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QUOTE(LightningChyld @ Jan 8 2007, 08:26 AM) *

What does everyone think about the Melbourne water police. They have the ability to come to your property and reduce your water pressure to enough to only dampen a washcloth, not have a full shower.

I was thinking this could have bad repercussions on people who want a simple drink of water. However they're only enforcing this in repeat offender homes and businesses.



for repeat offenders I say do it. I've called SA Water numerous times about people who don't follow the restriction rules (people who wash their cars with the hose and leave the hose on the lawn for ages while the do the washing because they're too lazy to turn the tap off). Some people don't respond to fines - punish them and see how they go without water!
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QUOTE(alexb618 @ Jan 8 2007, 08:30 AM) *

the resources would be better spent buying out all the cotton & rice fields. both cotton and rice are cheaper to import (no prizes for guessing why) and the imported product is generally a much better quality.


Totally agree with this - we are far too dry to be growing these crops.

But, seriously, how hard is it to have a shorter shower, not wash your car with a hose, or even water your plants from a bucket..? People are lazy and stupid and can't follow rules.

Rain water tanks. What do people think..? I've heard that the size of the tank they make all new homes have now is not even enough to flush a toilet for a family of 4 for half a week.

Coming from a state that's had some pretty low rainfalls - is a rainwater tank really the answer..?
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Am guessing here, but are golf courses "restriction free" ?
alexb618Posted: 8 Jan 2007, 8:40am
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well i do all of the above to save water, i dont even have a car to wash. but at the end of the day (residential) changes to our water usage habits make absolutely SFA difference in the grand scheme of things. the key is extremely tight restrictions on commercial water usage. this won't happen because a) people will whinge how much things start to cost and b) because it won't 'help the farmers' that everone seems to be so in love with... people seem to forget how much money farmers make from a good crop, they are not out there being 'aussie battlers' for $40k a year thats for sure.
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On the ABC the other day they were interviewing this poor farmer who was having to sell up and move off the land because of the drought.

The story was all nice and sad, 40 people out of a job, been in the area for generations.

Until I heard more details, then I lost all sympathy.

The Location : Bourke
The Crop : Cotton

Fuck off then, crowing cotton on the edge of a desert is a criminal waste of water.

If you want to grow cotton, then get the fuck out of NSW and set up shop in Broome.

TurbulencePosted: 8 Jan 2007, 9:03am
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Thats farked!!!!

I reckon a tequila (agave cactus) farm would be the way to go
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QUOTE(dbb @ Jan 8 2007, 08:52 AM) *

On the ABC the other day they were interviewing this poor farmer who was having to sell up and move off the land because of the drought.

The story was all nice and sad, 40 people out of a job, been in the area for generations.

Until I heard more details, then I lost all sympathy.

The Location : Bourke
The Crop : Cotton

Fuck off then, crowing cotton on the edge of a desert is a criminal waste of water.

If you want to grow cotton, then get the fuck out of NSW and set up shop in Broome.


I am so sick of the whole "drought" bullshit - weather conditions have changed - adapt you moronic farmers or get off the land. No cotton, no rice or any other water dependant crops.

It's not a drought anymore - we spent some time up in the flinders ranges late last year and they refuse to call it a drought as that is just how things are now - fact. It stopped being a drought years ago. Take your sympaty seeking elsewhere or get some fucking common sense and grow crops that actually can survive in this country without draining all our precious water.

/end rant
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QUOTE(alexb618 @ Jan 8 2007, 09:40 AM) *

well i do all of the above to save water, i dont even have a car to wash. but at the end of the day (residential) changes to our water usage habits make absolutely SFA difference in the grand scheme of things. the key is extremely tight restrictions on commercial water usage. this won't happen because a) people will whinge how much things start to cost and b) because it won't 'help the farmers' that everone seems to be so in love with... people seem to forget how much money farmers make from a good crop, they are not out there being 'aussie battlers' for $40k a year thats for sure.

WTF do the water restrictions have to do with farmers? They don't water their crops from a tap like the one in your kitchen! Farmers rely on rain, or some (lucky ones) might have a bore or well for irrigation (dams are generally filled from rain) and only a very small number (at least in SA) draw water from the Murray (reducing Adelaide's drinking water supply). The farmers aren't doing it tough because SA Water wont let them water their crops, they still have bad years when we don't have the level of restrictions we do now.

As for your opinion on how much farmers make year to year: Yes in good years they may make above average returns. However, if a small farm has only one crop (or form of livestock) and they have a year like this one, they could lose money (no income, but still expenses and ongoing costs). That would mean they'd need an excellent year the following season to break even (I assure you, the good years aren't double your break even return). Two years in a row (as a lot of our states farmers are experiencing), and things start looking bad. Imagine if you didn't get paid for two years, but you still had all your usual expenses! Social Security, I don't think so; due to the Social Security assets tests most farmers are ineligable for benefits (despite that large asset not producing a return at that point in time). Or is it that farming is really the secret to success! I'm surprised more 'get rich quick' type people don't get into it.

I think the water restrictions are good. It makes us lucky city folk appreciate how precious water is, and remember the restrictions we currently have in place is they way most of our rural communities live each and every year.

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alexb618Posted: 8 Jan 2007, 9:55am
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no i am saying exactly that, people seem to think that using less water helps the 'poor farmers' when it has absolutely nothing to do with farmers. people who think this are the same people who watch today tonight.

and re farming, everyone knows its a high risk/high reward type arrangement. the risk is that is may not rain therefore you may not make money for... a year? two years? five years? who knows. its part and parcel of your lifestyle choice. when things are going well you dont see them on tv doing a feel good story about how they just bought a new mercedes 4wd and boat do you...
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The government has known about the water problem for years but has done nothing about apart from charge us a tax to fix the problem, but i see nothing being fixed. Houses should be given large rain water tanks, so a house can be self sufficent and if it runs out then pay a small fee for the tank to be refilled and the tax should be dropped. This will spread water use evenly among people and big business such as cotton farmers should be taxed more on water as the are making money from water use, not the Australian community.

*sorry didnt read the other posts before ranting*

Pay for tap water, no, bottled water, yes.

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dbbPosted: 8 Jan 2007, 10:05am
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The rainwater tank rebate would be a great thing to introduce. Rann hasn't seemed keen to go down that path to this point in time.

We are currently investigating rain water tanks and a grey water system. At our place most of the lawn is gone, replaced by a garden with a good percentage of native and water efficient plants. The irrigation system is completely drip line - no sprinklers or spray systems.

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QUOTE(alexb618 @ Jan 8 2007, 10:55 AM) *

when things are going well you dont see them on tv doing a feel good story about how they just bought a new mercedes 4wd and boat do you...

That's because of shows like 'Today Tonight'. If you're a farmer having a bad year and some journo comes up and offers you a few bucks to have a sook on the TV you do it. I'm sure the same farmer would be happy to show off his new toys in the good years, but the film crew is nowhere to be seen?

If they had more stories like that I might watch current affairs programs.

Ban doom and gloom stories, bring on the good times!