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bEcKy doLLPosted: 14 Aug 2006, 12:03pm

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I am doing an essay on same-sex marriages and just wanted to know what people think about this topic. Do you support same sex civil unions or do you think that they should be banned.....? Any opinions would be greatly appreciated.

alexb618Posted: 14 Aug 2006, 12:08pm

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i am neither here nor there about the marriage

as for same sex unions, seems a bit pointless but i dont think it should be illegal

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Previous discussion on this as asked by me..

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peepee & giney only for marriages... but thats just me.. peepee and peepee BAD!

agree with AB tho.. as always, as i love him. and wanto marry him.

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QUOTE(slide @ Aug 14 2006, 12:16 PM)

peepee & giney only for marriages... but thats just me.. peepee and peepee BAD!
agree with AB tho.. as always, as i love him. and wanto marry him.

lets have a gay marriage

jj can be my best man

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BettermanPosted: 14 Aug 2006, 12:23pm

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im against it

i mean, the ceremonies would be just wrong

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QUOTE(alexb618 @ Aug 14 2006, 12:08 PM)

as for same sex unions, seems a bit pointless

Dunno why but thats fucking funny.

I don't care who puts what in where so long as it doesn't affect me.

Only issue I have is that any child raised in this sort of set up is going to cop some major fucking shit at school.

Kids are cruel, thats life.

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I don't like the idea of it, I don't think its natural!!

Makes me feel sick thinking of two men saying I love you to each other in that kind of emotional way...makes me feel sick of two women doing it aswell... *shrugs* thats just me though.

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Aug 14 2006, 12:30 PM)

I don't like the idea of it, I don't think its natural!!

Makes me feel sick thinking of two men saying I love you to each other in that kind of emotional way...makes me feel sick of two women doing it aswell... *shrugs* thats just me though.

i take it you don't know any gay couples

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Nope don't know any gay "couples" I have a friend who is gay I just don't like the idea of gay marriages and giving them the same rights as everyone else..its not natural as I said!!

Kids will see gay people getting married and think its the norm..its not!!

But yeah thats just me!!

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I say it's fucking great.

Same sex couples should not be treated any different as heterosexual couples.

Our country is so great yet so behind in certain areas..

QUOTE(Stryke @ Aug 14 2006, 01:27 PM)

Kids are cruel, thats life.

kids learn from parents...

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QUOTE(dEElirIous @ Aug 14 2006, 01:04 PM)

I say it's fucking great.

Same sex couples should not be treated any different as heterosexual couples.

Our country is so great yet so behind in certain areas..
kids learn from parents...

ARE YOU NUTS!

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dEElirIousPosted: 14 Aug 2006, 1:15pm

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QUOTE(metal head! @ Aug 14 2006, 02:09 PM)

ARE YOU NUTS!

kids learn from parents........o.k HERES A LESSON DONT PUT YOUR COCK UP ANOTHER MANS ASS SON!

FFS!

biggotry (sp?), racism, homophobia kids learn these things from parents.

If kids are cruel thats usually because they've learnt bad habits from they're parents.

Maybe focus on teaching your kids some more worthwhile lessons on tolerance and love rather then pinpointing what you think is right and wrong with anothers sexuality..

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The only problem I see is that yes, kids are cruel.

Do they learn from parents? Yes they do to a degree.

But they are also heavily influenced by their schooling environment, if they are surrounded by kids with conventional parentage, how to to dads or two mums explain to their "children" the answers to simple questions questions such as, "why dont I have a mum and a dad like everyone else?" Not only that, kids do tend to not do what their parents say... So if one kid at school starts giving these children stick because of their "parentage" the rest will immediately follow suit.

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QUOTE(dEElirIous @ Aug 14 2006, 01:15 PM)

biggotry (sp?), racism, homophobia kids learn these things from parents.

If kids are cruel thats usually because they've learnt bad habits from they're parents.

Maybe focus on teaching your kids some more worthwhile lessons on tolerance and love rather then pinpointing what you think is right and wrong with anothers sexuality..

imo

if you think its "NATURAL" for a bloke to want to be fucked in the ass by another bloke YOU MY FRIEND ARE NOT RIGHT IN THE HEAD!

i realy dont give a fuck what dyks and fags do HOWEVER i seriously doubt any parent would want or be pleased about their child being gay WOULD YOU ?

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QUOTE(Mayday @ Aug 14 2006, 02:18 PM)

The only problem I see is that yes, kids are cruel.

Do they learn from parents? Yes they do to a degree.

But they are also heavily influenced by their schooling environment, if they are surrounded by kids with conventional parentage, how to to dads or two mums explain to their "children" the answers to simple questions questions such as, "why dont I have a mum and a dad like everyone else?" Not only that, kids do tend to not do what their parents say... So if one kid at school starts giving these children stick because of their "parentage" the rest will immediately follow suit.

yes yes true point.

kids are cruel for a number of reasons, I guess gay parenting is a different issue to the question asked really which is gay marriage.

Whether people like it or not it's there, it's real and it's not going to go away.

I think one of the major points for gay couples wanting to be married is the legal status, for joint accounts, loans, property etc. im not really sure of the finer points of this though.

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Im all in favour of that myself... If two people want to be looked upon as whatever status they like thats up to them completely. Its just the third party that has zero say in the matter that has my concern.

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QUOTE(metal head! @ Aug 14 2006, 01:20 PM)

if you think its "NATURAL" for a bloke to want to be fucked in the ass by another bloke YOU MY FRIEND ARE NOT RIGHT IN THE HEAD!

i realy dont give a fuck what dyks and fags do HOWEVER i seriously doubt any parent would want or be pleased about their child being gay WOULD YOU ?

and by the way I HATE EVERYONE NOT JUST FAGS!

I agree with Jimbo here!!

Its not natural, god made adam and eve not adam and steve

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i thought people on here woudl be a bit more open minded

its 2006 ffs

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little suprised on some of the comments, but if people love each other, then what difference should it make if they are gay or straight. why should they be treated any different, if someone was together for a long while, why shouldnt they have access to the rights of a straight couple? who are we to say one rule for you and another rule for you...

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I dont know about the marriages i dont have any issues with gay people in general.

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Yeah it may be 2006 but it still doesn't change the fact that its not natural!!

If you let gay people have marriage soon they are going to be wanting to adopt kids and so forth...and really I wouldn't want my children thinking its acceptable!!

I for one don't like the idea but its just my opinion...as stated!!

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why shouldnt they be able to adopt kids? some of the shit that straight parents do to their kids is just fucken wrong - saw some real horror situations while working at the housing trust...

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Aug 14 2006, 12:52 PM)

Nope don't know any gay "couples" I have a friend who is gay I just don't like the idea of gay marriages and giving them the same rights as everyone else..its not natural as I said!!

Kids will see gay people getting married and think its the norm..its not!!

But yeah thats just me!!

Ok, hold on... You don't think "they" should have the same rights as "everyone" else??

Just because they are gay doesn't mean that they are less of a human being. They should still have the same rights as others. Sexual preference shouldn't be taken into consideration in determing what rights a person has. That's discrimination.

Although I don't like seeing it (eg passionately kissing), I don't have a problem with gay couples. What they choose to do is fine with me, I'm not affected by it.

My concern is with the children of these couples. Children need a male and female adult present... they need these role models. Without each, there are so many problems that arise. Even though the same sex parents may be perfect parents, loving etc etc, there are still deeper issues that arise due to not having male and female role models.

I don't feel that having a 'father figure' or a 'mother figure' around every now is enough either...

I think children complicate the situation and make it a whole new issue aside from whether gay people should be allowed to get married.

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Aug 14 2006, 01:51 PM)

I agree with Jimbo here!!

Its not natural, god made adam and eve not adam and steve

Please explain to me how its not natural.

Do these people decide at a point in their lives that they want to be gay? Do they undertake some sort of genetic modification?

No, they are born that way and that makes them naturally gay.

I'm neither gay or religious, so i'm not an expert on the subject, but the fact that you can say its not natural and 'god' didn't intend it is just stupid. Clearly this 'god' would have made them not gay to begin with.

On the subject of marriages i'm unsure, as clearly it would screw around with kids. But as our civilization progresses and people become more understanding i'm sure it wouldn't be a problem.

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For fucks sake, I don't think its natural, I don't like gay marriages!!

I would not like my children to grow up thinking its ok, this is my opinion!!

If you think its ok then thats fine!! Like Im saying I would not want my kids growing up thinking its normal!!

And the reason I don't think its natural is because the human body was made to reproduce can gay couples reproduce......no they can't!!

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For fucks sake, I don't think its natural, I don't like gay marriages!!

I would not like my children to grow up thinking its ok, this is my opinion!!

If you think its ok then thats fine!! Like Im saying I would not want my kids growing up thinking its normal!!

And the reason I don't think its natural is because the human body was made to reproduce can gay couples reproduce......no they can't!!

well you are from the country i suppose

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i cant see why a man would want to fuck another man but its not for me to tell people how they can live...

as long as it doesnt directly affect me then i dont care

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i have a fair few gay mates... / couples... they work well together, consider them friends.. all cool til the point that pee pee says hi to botbot.

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Aug 14 2006, 02:11 PM)

For fucks sake, I don't think its natural, I don't like gay marriages!!

I would not like my children to grow up thinking its ok, this is my opinion!!

If you think its ok then thats fine!! Like Im saying I would not want my kids growing up thinking its normal!!

And the reason I don't think its natural is because the human body was made to reproduce can gay couples reproduce......no they can't!!

spot on.

its not cool to suck another guy off nor is it cool to put your cock up his ass!
i dont realy care what gays do however lets go to extremes shall we...........people think its normal soon after a while no one reproduces soon we all die!

does anyone on here want their kids to be gay? just curious as you are all so excepting

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I say live and let live.

If you think homosexuals dont deserve basic rights then maybe you should take a look at your own values (not aimed at anyone in particular). The declaration of human rights applies for all humans, theres no fine print or brackets at the end saying "(minus gays)"

The whole 'but their children wont have a mummy and a daddy' argument is irrelevent, having a mummy and a daddy puts you about on par with families who have dealt with divorce or the loss of a parent. Unconventional families are becoming the new convention.

And fuck, school kids will rib anyone about anything. Bring your tazos to school the day after the fad has finished? Better take your sorry ass to the lunch shed and hang out with special pete cos no ones gonna be your friend today. boo hoo.

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Aug 14 2006, 01:51 PM)

I agree with Jimbo here!!

Its not natural, god made adam and eve not adam and steve

If it isnt right then why do you post photos of chicks all the time in that thread? What difference does it make if its a male or a female involved in a same sex relationship? Whether it be romantic, sexual or otherwise.

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QUOTE(metal head! @ Aug 14 2006, 02:20 PM)

spot on.

its not cool to suck another guy off nor is it cool to put your cock up his ass!
i dont realy care what gays do however lets go to extremes shall we...........people think its normal soon after a while no one reproduces soon we all die!

does anyone on here want their kids to be gay? just curious as you are all so excepting

hey jimbo have you seen the film american beauty?

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QUOTE(alexb618 @ Aug 14 2006, 02:16 PM)

well you are from the country i suppose

Yes because up here in the country we all share the same views and opinions!!

I guess that explains my opinions then hey....your just to smart!!

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Aug 14 2006, 02:24 PM)

Yes because up here in the country we all share the same views and opinions!!

I guess that explains my opinions then hey....your just to smart!!

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nup alex not that i can recall.

sound great though

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QUOTE(Mayday @ Aug 14 2006, 02:23 PM)

If it isnt right then why do you post photos of chicks all the time in that thread? What difference does it make if its a male or a female involved in a same sex relationship? Whether it be romantic, sexual or otherwise.

I like the female body but this doesn't mean I want to marry another female and have children with them!!

I have said this once and i'll say it again I don't like same sex marriages!!

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QUOTE(metal head! @ Aug 14 2006, 02:26 PM)

nup alex not that i can recall.

sound great though

you should watch it!

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if my child was gay, then sobeit. am i going to love them less because of their sexual preferance, of course not. the community at large may give them a hard time, so they should only expect to be accepted and loved in their own family...

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QUOTE(alexb618 @ Aug 14 2006, 03:16 PM)

well you are from the country i suppose

with the way adelaide is these days, id rather my child be raised in the country rather than the city or metro area

im with courtz, its not natural, against most religions as well (esp christianity) and should not be encouraged

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QUOTE(Spadge @ Aug 14 2006, 02:17 PM)

i cant see why a man would want to fuck another man but its not for me to tell people how they can live...

as long as it doesnt directly affect me then i dont care

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QUOTE(Betterman @ Aug 14 2006, 03:33 PM)

im with courtz, its not natural, against most religions as well (esp christianity) and should not be encouraged

i disagree, homosexuals are not going to just go away..

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Why should anyone care less about who someone else shags anyway?

Some people like blondes, some like brunnettes, redheads etc... Ive got more important things to worry about than someone elses sexuality.

Besides, the world is (approx) 50% male, 50% female. The more poofs there are means the more chicks are left over for us straight guys.

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Nic BorrelliPosted: 14 Aug 2006, 2:36pm

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i dont have a problem with it. they are human beings, they should have the same rights as everyone else. who cares if some of you ppl think its "unnatural" or "god didnt intend it to be like that".... stop living in the past, 20 yrs ago gays werent accepted, now they are by the majority.. next step is allowing them to get married.

these ppl didnt wake up and go " hell, ill be gay", they are born that way, why should they be treated any differently.

true children will complicate things alot, but in all honesty i reckon most couples would have a way of dealing with it, and tbh i reckon gay parents would be as good as parents or better than hetrosexuals.

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Aug 14 2006, 01:51 PM)

I agree with Jimbo here!!

Its not natural, god made adam and eve not adam and steve

Weren't you bi a few months ago...

I know Jimbo's views on the matter.. frankly I would be kewl if my son/daughter is happy and healthy..

Homosexuality is as natural as heterosexuality.. how do you explain it still existing if by it's very definition it should be bred (or not) out of existence.. society requires it.. kinda like lemmings walking off a cliff or whales beaching themselves..

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Besides, the world is (approx) 50% male, 50% female. The more poofs there are means the more chicks are left over for us straight guys.

Whats next.... in 50 years time people marrying sheep?

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some of the replies in this thread are a worry

whats next, put them all to death?

and black people too? they are also different, it wasnt adam G UNIT and eve DOGG...

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QUOTE(Betterman @ Aug 14 2006, 02:33 PM)

against most religions as well (esp christianity) and should not be encouraged

there are plenty of people who think religion should not be encouraged, i am one of them

ban me from getting married?

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I'm constantly amazed that people still have such narrow minds... frankly it makes me sad to know that our generation,Especially represented in a scene that is a counter-culture in itself would hold such a grudge against two people no matter of their gender wanting to make their love official..

I blame their parents :p

Grow up, who cares, live and let live

edit: i'm with Alex, I would sooner ban religion than ban gays.. save a fuck load of lives and money with all the wars we would no longer require..

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Its absolutely shocking, its immoral and against gods will. I do not approve with it. I find it even worse when these people want to adopt children..

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QUOTE(merse @ Aug 14 2006, 02:46 PM)

Its absolutely shocking, its immoral and against gods will. I do not approve with it. I find it even worse when these people want to adopt children..

haha

I seem to remember something like "let he who is without sin cast the first stone"

that said.. I really think the belief in god should hold very little relevance in today's society. I'm increasingly suprised to find people still follow that whole god thing..

again I blame the parents :P

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QUOTE(M-Wave @ Aug 14 2006, 03:44 PM)

edit: i'm with Alex, I would sooner ban religion than ban gays.. save a fuck load of lives and money with all the wars we would no longer require..

religion is not something you can ban or stop, history has proven this many times

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true its against religion esp christianty which im a believer in, but if its what makes you happy, dont worry about what others think etc.

all marriage is doing is acknowledging that they are a couple, and in love, good on them i say... they have the guts to be scrutinised by the public for something they believe in and something i doubt many of us would be prepared to do.

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Aug 14 2006, 02:41 PM)

Whats next.... in 50 years time people marrying sheep?

Oh but were in love, we have rights, stop living in the past!!

You should see the thread on the other RA!! (Rave Auckland)

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QUOTE(Nic Borrelli @ Aug 14 2006, 03:50 PM)

but if its what makes you happy, dont worry about what others think etc.

all marriage is doing is acknowledging that they are a couple, and in love, good on them i say... they have the guts to be scrutinised by the public for something they believe in and something i doubt many of us would be prepared to do.

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QUOTE(Mayday @ Aug 14 2006, 02:54 PM)

You should see the thread on the other RA!! (Rave Auckland)

I don't think I want to know haha!!

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If same sex marriages is ok, i dont see the harm in kiwis marrying sheep..

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Aug 14 2006, 02:11 PM)

For fucks sake, I don't think its natural, I don't like gay marriages!!

I would not like my children to grow up thinking its ok, this is my opinion!!

If you think its ok then thats fine!! Like Im saying I would not want my kids growing up thinking its normal!!

And the reason I don't think its natural is because the human body was made to reproduce can gay couples reproduce......no they can't!!

you have stated your opinions many a time and we get it! my mum is a lesbian and has a fuckin disgustin girlfriend who would rather be man, but i respect her wishes and i fuckin dont like it shoved in my face. When they go out the dont show it off that they are gay, they do it at home. I have a lil sister who is 9 years old and no one at her school bullies her cos her mum is gay! and i am pretty sure that she understands what is goin on! its up to the parents what they want to tell their kids and i think gay marriages should b legal as they are only just stating that they love their partners and what not!! not all gay people want to adopt people! i know a lot of straight parents who treat their kids like shit just because they can but then u hear of gay people who would love to have kids but cant and i would probably bet that the gay parents would not treat their kids like shit cos they would appreciate having their own child!!

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QUOTE(Mr S @ Aug 14 2006, 02:34 PM)

wanna fuck?

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QUOTE(juicyjessica23 @ Aug 14 2006, 03:08 PM)

you have stated your opinions many a time and we get it! my mum is a lesbian and has a fuckin disgustin girlfriend who would rather be man, but i respect her wishes and i fuckin dont like it shoved in my face. When they go out the dont show it off that they are gay, they do it at home. I have a lil sister who is 9 years old and no one at her school bullies her cos her mum is gay! and i am pretty sure that she understands what is goin on! its up to the parents what they want to tell their kids and i think gay marriages should b legal as they are only just stating that they love their partners and what not!! not all gay people want to adopt people! i know a lot of straight parents who treat their kids like shit just because they can but then u hear of gay people who would love to have kids but cant and i would probably bet that the gay parents would not treat their kids like shit cos they would appreciate having their own child!!

i bet nobody was expecting someone with real life experience on this subject to post!

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good points jess

i would bet that in general, a same sex couple would put alot more thought and planning into having and raising a child than a male/female combo..

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QUOTE(alexb618 @ Aug 14 2006, 03:12 PM)

i bet nobody was expecting someone with real life experience on this subject to post!

i have a story that can beat that!
but thats for another time
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Can you at least post a link to the video?

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yeah i have watched my lil sister from the age of about 6yrs old to now cos my mum has had 2 gay relationships and she has dealt with it really well, i think i have had more trouble excepting it than her! meh i have a lot of gay and bi friends and i respect their decisions and its more about them bein happy than anything else!

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WOW talk about heaps of controvery from one thread, good topic bek

i personally am all for it, i believe marriage is about commitment, showing someone how much you care about someone and wanting to share that with your family and friends. Its not something that needs to be broadcast.

Whatever happened to everyone being treated equally?

Courtz, you say that your against the whole issue, yet you go on about how girls are hot and proclaim yourself to bisexual...if this is the case, how do you know that your not going to fall in love with another chick? If your against the whole marriage and say that the whole thing is not normal and wrong, then why do u say your bisexual? Isn't that being a bit two sided?

im not wanting to aim this at you, i just want to know what you think becos you see to just keep reinforcing the fact that you think its not "normal".

I dont think ANYBODY can judge whats normal or what isnt normal becos there is no such thing as normal.

Everyone is different in their own way and we should all respect each other for that becos if everyone was the same and "normal" this world would be a god damn boring as hell place to live!

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Courtz, you say that your against the whole issue, yet you go on about how girls are hot and proclaim yourself to bisexual...if this is the case, how do you know that your not going to fall in love with another chick? If your against the whole marriage and say that the whole thing is not normal and wrong, then why do u say your bisexual? Isn't that being a bit two sided?

im not wanting to aim this at you, i just want to know what you think becos you see to just keep reinforcing the fact that you think its not "normal".

I don't like the fact of people of the same sex getting married, I think women are beautiful but I would never marry a women cause I don't believe it is right!! Im not going to start up on my opinions again though, cause its giving me a headache haha!! But I can see your point and why your asking but I just don't believe in same sex marriages!! I think a pash is all good and harmless but I could never develop strong feelings for another woman cause like I said I don't believe it is right!! If you think its two sided well meh Im over it!!

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so you are a trendsbian?

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If a bloke loves his dog, i think he should be able to marry it..

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Aug 14 2006, 04:05 PM)

I think a pash is all good and harmless but I could never develop strong feelings for another woman cause like I said I don't believe it is right!! If you think its two sided well meh Im over it!!

So because you can’t develop feelings for a girl means it’s wrong?

It is 2 sided.

Think bout what you’re saying.

You can’t say it’s okay to be gay – but you’re only entitled to this amount of rights and freedom because I said so...

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If a bloke loves his dog, i think he should be able to marry it..

Me neither...we're talking about people...

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QUOTE(Peace Baby @ Aug 14 2006, 04:23 PM)

So because you can’t develop feelings for a girl means it’s wrong?

It is 2 sided.

Think bout what you’re saying.

You can’t say it’s okay to be gay – but you’re only entitled to this amount of rights and freedom because I said so...

I understand what your saying, and I guess it is two sided but thats just how I feel.

I don't care if people choose to be gay thats there perogative but I wouldn't want kids to see them getting married thinking thats a normal life. I don't want my kids to see two guys kissing and ask me why those men are kissing. I think its wrong how gay people are trying to force the issue onto society.

Why are gay people still not allowed to get married and are not entilted to all the rights we are?

It still not socially acceptable, I don't think it ever will be to tell you the truth.

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do any other mammals or animals have gays in their population?

or are humans the only one?

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Aug 14 2006, 04:33 PM)

I don't want my kids to see two guys kissing and ask me why those men are kissing. I think its wrong how gay people are trying to force the issue onto society.

this is called homophobia

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QUOTE(Betterman @ Aug 14 2006, 04:35 PM)

do any other mammals or animals have gays in their population?

or are humans the only one?

nah my sisters cat is gay!! he walks around like a poof! and her other cat likes rubbin her ass on people!!

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Aug 14 2006, 04:33 PM)

I think its wrong how gay people are trying to force the issue onto society.

Why are gay people still not allowed to get married and are not entilted to all the rights we are?

It still not socially acceptable, I don't think it ever will be to tell you the truth.

so because its not socially acceptable, it should be not allowed? hmm, maybe we should look at the example of women voting - it wasnt allowed and could even be percieved that they should ever be able to vote, but did that change? yes, so why cant people push an issue that they have strong feelings for? there are countless times in history where people force change for the better. anyway gay people arent forcing the issue on to society, rather society is forcing their issues on the gay population

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Aug 14 2006, 04:33 PM)

I understand what your saying, and I guess it is two sided but thats just how I feel.

I don't care if people choose to be gay thats there perogative but I wouldn't want kids to see them getting married thinking thats a normal life. I don't want my kids to see two guys kissing and ask me why those men are kissing. I think its wrong how gay people are trying to force the issue onto society.

Why are gay people still not allowed to get married and are not entilted to all the rights we are?

It still not socially acceptable, I don't think it ever will be to tell you the truth.

I believe it's acceptable...you don't...

For example let's say I'm in a relationship with a woman, you with a man...

I think it's stupid you believe you have more right to be married than I do, or even to express some fondness in public.

What makes you better than me because I have feelings for someone who is of the same sex and you for someone who is of the opposite sex?

What makes our right to life so different?

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QUOTE(Peace Baby @ Aug 14 2006, 05:48 PM)

What makes our right to life so different?

because you shouldnt be with that person if they are the same sex

you both have matching genitals, how are you supposed to reproduce to keep the species going? do other species 'adopt a kid'
no, beacuse they dont have gays

they are normal

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QUOTE(Betterman @ Aug 14 2006, 04:56 PM)

they are normal

Ohhhh...my mistake...don’t want to upset your society with my abnormality

Dammit, where’s Hitler when you need him?

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QUOTE(Peace Baby @ Aug 14 2006, 04:48 PM)

I believe it's acceptable...you don't...
For example let's say I'm in a relationship with a woman, you with a man...

I think it's stupid you believe you have more right to be married than I do, or even to express some fondness in public.

What makes you better than me because I have feelings for someone who is of the same sex and you for someone who is of the opposite sex?
What makes our right to life so different?

*sighs*

Im not saying anyone is better then anyone!! Your taking what Im saying the wrong way!!

Sorry if it comes across as I think straight people are better then gay people, I guess I just don't like the fact of two people of the same sex being in love ang getting married cause i've always been taught its wrong. Someone in the family is actually gay and it didn't go down well, I guess you could say its influenced my beliefs, but I don't really want to go into that.

Im not going to go any further with this conversation

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QUOTE(Betterman @ Aug 14 2006, 05:35 PM)

do any other mammals or animals have gays in their population?

or are humans the only one?

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QUOTE(dEElirIous @ Aug 14 2006, 02:24 PM)

Whether people like it or not it's there, it's real and it's not going to go away.

I think one of the major points for gay couples wanting to be married is the legal status, for joint accounts, loans, property etc. im not really sure of the finer points of this though.

The odd thing about this thread is that some people have criticised "being gay" as oppose to their rights. Whether "gayness" is genetic or environmental or people like/dislike gay people or have gay friends is also beside the point.

Legally the problem is that marriage, as a concept, was a religious ceremony. It the last century or so civil ceremonies became increasingly popular and legislation facilitated recognition of it. Many people didn't wish for religious ceremonies and the law, with time, changed to recognise that situation. But by definition, marriage is between a man and a woman.

The concept of Civil Unions has been introduced as instead of changing the definition of "Marriage", a similar concept is introduced to give couples the same rights, as mentioned by dEElirIous above. It can be exceptionally difficult for gay couples to deal with real property in many areas of law, given the restriction of the definition of "marriage" or "defacto relationship". At present, a defacto partner of a few years can receive greater recognition regarding interests in the partner's real property than a gay person who has been in a gay relationship for say 50 years in their partner's real property.

It is also interesting that "marriage" commenced very much as a religious concept yet some people in this thread criticising gay unions are not religious (according to the other thread). Most opposition at a political level is from people with religious persuasions and who are influenced by religious groups... eg Howard, Bush etc.

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isnt that what adoption is all about? the couples that can't have kids?

the kids are there as a result that their parents didnt want them or cudnt raise them right... whether its a man and woman couple or two men or two women whats the difference, they are still a couple! they still have the same right as anyone else! as long as the child is going into a family that is going to love and care for that child i honestly dont see a problem

why are you all generalising! its not just men that are gay ffs! women are gay too! yet everyone seems to think that its wrong for 2 guys....

i for one do not agree with ppl flaunting their relationships in public and pashing away and feeling each other up... but i dont particularly wanna see a boy girl couple making out for everyone to see just the same as a same sex couple....

i cant believe how ppl just think its wrong... im sorry but look how many guys think its hot when two women get it on! what if they love each other and wanna get married, does that suddenly make it disgusting and wrong?!?!?!?

some people need to open their eyes and see that society is changing in many ways....

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Aug 14 2006, 05:01 PM)

*sighs*

Im not saying anyone is better then anyone!! Your taking what Im saying the wrong way!!

Sorry if it comes across as I think straight people are better then gay people, I guess I just don't like the fact of two people of the same sex being in love ang getting married cause i've always been taught its wrong. Someone in the family is actually gay and it didn't go down well, I guess you could say its influenced my beliefs, but I don't really want to go into that.

Im not going to go any further with this conversation

You have to realise that what you are saying is that you are entitled to more in life than I am because I love someone that happens to be of the same sex.

Congratulations to the person in your family that still ‘came out’ despite the narrow views you have... *applauds*

And it’s interesting that you choose to keep the cycle of ‘that’s not acceptable’ going, rather than forming some different opinions than those of your family...
Wow, we really can’t make a difference...pffft

I’ll leave it, I just feel really strongly about this...

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this thread has done little other than expose how ignorant, thoughtless, old fashioned and downright prejudice some people in adelaide really are.

disapointing really, especially considering this thread is posted on a 'rave' website.

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theres been quite a few articles in Scientific American about how sexuality is a continuum and not pure binary (so you can be 90% heterosexual and 10% homosexual). i dont think you can really argue when studies are done and produce those results

it might be important to bring a kid up in a neutral environment though.. if they see too much of one thing they might only encourage one half of their sexuality.. it makes sense not to do that

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I think same sex couples should be able to be married, as they may love each other etc and want to make it official.

The idea of them having kids though i dont like, adopted or not i think all kids need the influence of balanced mother father figures!

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The idea of them having kids though i dont like, adopted or not i think all kids need the influence of balanced mother father figures!

What bout single parents?

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QUOTE(Peace Baby @ Aug 14 2006, 05:12 PM)

You have to realise that what you are saying is that you are entitled to more in life than I am because I love someone that happens to be of the same sex.

Congratulations to the person in your family that still ‘came out’ despite the narrow views you have... *applauds*

And it’s interesting that you choose to keep the cycle of ‘that’s not acceptable’ going, rather than forming some different opinions than those of your family...
Wow, we really can’t make a difference...pffft

I’ll leave it, I just feel really strongly about this...

All good, I understand your views and this thread has actually made me a bit more acceptable about the whole situation which is a good thing

I was actually in a relationship with a girl but after seeing how it affected my parents, I decided to stop the relationship....I think its hard when your parents have such a negative view on it aswell!!

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QUOTE(Peace Baby @ Aug 14 2006, 05:17 PM)

What bout single parents?

If it happens that early there are usually boyfriends girlfriends of the single parent along the way too.. but i imagine the same effect if this didnt occur/

But an all male or female where one plays 'Un El naturale' could not be healthy.

Oh and as much as i support peoples decisions to Love each other as the same sex... coz its out there and more people are doing it etc.... i do think its 'weird' and definitely unnatural, people say its possibly nature (genetic) as opposed to nurture, and if it is i'd call it a defect... Just not supposed to be like that.. if it was, same sex's would be compatible.

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The answer is clear. Girl on girl is fine. Get married and drink from the furry cup all day if you like. But a man getting a hard peepee up his bumbum while receiving a reach around is just a bit ..well... wrong.

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QUOTE(Parallex @ Aug 14 2006, 06:14 PM)

I think same sex couples should be able to be married, as they may love each other etc and want to make it official.

The idea of them having kids though i dont like, adopted or not i think all kids need the influence of balanced mother father figures!

If same sex couples want to get married or whatever then more power to them. It's their decision, not mine. I don't think it's necesscarily right, but I don't like people telling me how to live my life, so I give others the same respect.

If they want to have kids, well I also don't have a problem with that either really. Sure everyone would ideally have a mother and a father figure in their lives, but as Lisa's already mentioned, there is a lot of single parents out there.

Put it this way, there's plenty of kids out there who come from shithouse homes that are riddled with drugs and violence. Moreso than what people actually realise. Now, if a kid has 2 dads who look after them, it's still better in my eyes than one dad and a mum who cains herself on smack or puts all her money down the pokies so the kids can't eat right. Likewise, a kid with 2 loving mums is a billion times better off than a kid with one mum and a dad who belts the fuck out of them.

What some of you may not even know is that the current generation of young kids are already being taught on accepting same sex couples. There's been episodes of play school for example where children are spoken about as going somewhere with their two mummies. It was controversial as fuck and plenty of people called for play school to get axed, but same sex relationships do exist in society. The kids may as well be aware of what could be happening with their 'mummies' or 'daddies' in their home from an early age instead of suddenly finding out the hard way in the playground.

There will always be kids who cop shit in the school yard because of their parents sexuality, that will happen for ever and ever. But, I think in years to come, when society is a bit more accepting, that the schoolyard punishment wouldn't be anywhere near as bad as what it would have been when we were in school say 10-15 years ago.

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Aug 14 2006, 02:00 PM)

Yeah it may be 2006 but it still doesn't change the fact that its not natural!!

I remember watching a documentary a while back (national geo maybe) about 'sexual deviants' in the animal world... and there was a fair chunk of wang on wang action, so if mother nature is not natural, what is?

QUOTE(jodiejai @ Aug 14 2006, 02:05 PM)

Although I don't like seeing it (eg passionately kissing), I don't have a problem with gay couples. What they choose to do is fine with me, I'm not affected by it.

Hey but even if its a hetero couple getting it on like donkey kong when all you want to do is watch a movie its a bit off too (unless the chick is hot and in the nude), actions like that have their place and imho its not in the public.

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My concern is with the children of these couples. Children need a male and female adult present... they need these role models. Without each, there are so many problems that arise. Even though the same sex parents may be perfect parents, loving etc etc, there are still deeper issues that arise due to not having male and female role models.

This happens now, divorce is on the rise, is seeing your dad once a fortnight enough?
Wouldnt being brought up in a loving family be better for the child?

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I think children complicate the situation and make it a whole new issue aside from whether gay people should be allowed to get married.

I agree, my main sticking point would be the amount of shit the kid would get at school and possibly the child not being exposed to a heterosexual couple

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its not cool to suck another guy off nor is it cool to put your cock up his ass!

But its a different story when its Kate with the strapon eh?

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i dont realy care what gays do however lets go to extremes shall we...........people think its normal soon after a while no one reproduces soon we all die!

You have a great point, seeing the world is under populated and all.

Wow.. i was coming in here to make a smart arse comment of "i support same sex marriages if both chicks are hot" but i find myself getting on the defensive due to the sheer amount of bigotry in here.

Seriously, for legal status (health care, finance, wills) I have no problem at all, i'm still undecided on the parenting point of view, however a few months ago there was an interesting "australian story" on SBS that has somewhat changed my mind towards it not being as bad for the children as i thought.

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Same sex marriage?
Gay people DON'T choose to be that way. They can often take many years to realise, but they don't choose it.

Open Gay people are going to be together regardless of what the societal, religious or family norm is. A lot of these people are perfectly, 100% normal. They have good jobs, they aren't deviants, they are also perfectly capable of loving a child.

I would prefer to see a child bought up by two fathers who actually CARED about the kid and made sure they were properly fed, clothed, educated and loved rather than some poor kid moved from foster home to foster home.

Reewind said most of what I was going to say (Cheers for saving me some time!) and I think that gay marriage is fine. Like I said, they're going to be together regardless, so why not make it a proper union if they want to. Marriage rates in Australia are so low it's amazing, this might help them a bit!

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I'm really shocked and disheartened by some of the views presented here. It's no wonder society is as un-accepting as it is. Such views on homophobia spoken here speak volumes about the espousers views on refugee and other minority rights. I would also go so far as to say homophopic people now are the same people who would have rallied against women's rights/civil rights/abolition of slavery/abortion/that the Earth revolves around the Sun and any other of the defining moments in humanity that have benefitted the human race no end. One day we will look back upon this homophobic view as we do on those who thought the Earth was flat: "genuine and heartfelt...but eternally stupid".

QUOTE(Betterman @ Aug 14 2006, 04:35 PM)

do any other mammals or animals have gays in their population?

or are humans the only one?

This is a good point. Many species have been documented to exhibit homosexual behaviour...so to those that say "homosexuality is not natural" put that fact in your pipe and smoke it. For animals - free from the corrupting effects of religious bigotry and majority rule (i.e. mob mentality) - to exhibit homosexual behaviour is by definition "natural". They cannot do anything that is not natural to them.

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Aug 14 2006, 06:19 PM)

I was actually in a relationship with a girl but after seeing how it affected my parents, I decided to stop the relationship....I think its hard when your parents have such a negative view on it aswell!!

Ok not attacking here but:

If you were in a relationship with a girl, wouldnt this have meant that you would have felt some sort of feelings for her? Therefore have an understanding of why two people of the same sex would choose to get married re: because they feel for each other and would like to take that next step?

You dont need to explain though, i think you must be sick of this thread now

Anyway i think that if two people are in love then it should not matter what gender combination it is. As it has been said before, why should straight people have all the rights but gays not.

Ive known and spent a bit of time with a gay couple and i thought they were great together, people who are in love and work well together should have every right to do what everyone else does. Society is still stuck back in the old days with some issues though which is sad. There have been gay/lesbian people since the beginning of time but its only really now that its becoming okay to come out. Good on them

As a gay older male friend of mine said to me (and ill never forget it for some reason):
"If i could choose to not be gay i would. Being straight is alot easier than being gay. Life is easier being straight than gay. Mum & Dad would be much happier if i was straight. Being gay is tough and very hard but i cant change it even if i wanted to. I was always this way".

Imagine if a straight couple were deeply in love and were not allowed to get married because other people didnt approve....perhaps people need to step in others shoes and just try imagine what its like for gay people.

Re: children - Seeing gay/lesbian couples around may or may not influence a child but when it comes down to it, a child will choose its own sexuality despite what people say.

And to the people making references to people and animals hooking up, if thats how you wana get down then good on ya's

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some peoples views in this thread are seriously disgusting......thats all im gonna say.*shakes head*

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QUOTE(Quazza @ Aug 14 2006, 10:27 PM)

some peoples views in this thread are seriously disgusting......thats all im gonna say.*shakes head*

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QUOTE(Jessez @ Aug 14 2006, 09:21 PM)

Ok not attacking here but:

If you were in a relationship with a girl, wouldnt this have meant that you would have felt some sort of feelings for her? Therefore have an understanding of why two people of the same sex would choose to get married re: because they feel for each other and would like to take that next step?

Yes hence why I posted this:

QUOTE(Courtz @ Aug 14 2006, 05:19 PM)

All good, I understand your views and this thread has actually made me a bit more acceptable about the whole situation which is a good thing

Im just a stubborn bitch who condradicts herself haha

I can admit when Im wrong, I have never really took into consideration all these points people have made!! I just listened to what my parents said, but everyone has brought up excellent points, and I can definitly see why people feel so strongly about it.

I don't like the fact still but I guess like everyone said two people should not be punished for falling in love

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Just a quick question to those who think two gay people would be bad parents...
Do you think that just because they're gay, they'd be bad parents? Does them being gay automatically make them unable to care for a child, apparently? Or does your views on homosexuality make them, in your eyes, unable to care for a child.

Wouldn't two people with two different personalities raising a child be better than JUST a single mum or dad?

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QUOTE(Quazza @ Aug 14 2006, 10:27 PM)

some peoples views in this thread are seriously disgusting......thats all im gonna say.*shakes head*

No shit....Im really really shocked at how narrow minded some people are

They say it's the quiet ones that you have to watch out for......And if you've noticed I ain't said shit for a couple minutes now.

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QUOTE(Rainbow_Brite @ Aug 14 2006, 11:03 PM)

No shit....Im really really shocked at how narrow minded some people are

no shit..

but then again not everyone is married to their right hand like you...

does that count as a same sex marriage?

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imo who gives a shit, if they aren't hurting anyone then i can't see the problem. although i'm not really keen on seeing to blokes getting it on in public...

dunno about the parenting side of things. i don't think enough research has been done on the effects of having a homosexual couple for parents (or my knowledge on the topic is minimal) so i can't really comment.

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QUOTE(NeXeSS @ Aug 14 2006, 11:07 PM)

no shit..

but then again not everyone is married to their right hand like you...

does that count as a same sex marriage?

Like Caitlin was getting at though, i dont think that because they are of the same sex that it makes them unfit to be parents.

They say it's the quiet ones that you have to watch out for......And if you've noticed I ain't said shit for a couple minutes now.

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QUOTE(LightningChyld @ Aug 14 2006, 11:00 PM)

Just a quick question to those who think two gay people would be bad parents...
Do you think that just because they're gay, they'd be bad parents? Does them being gay automatically make them unable to care for a child, apparently? Or does your views on homosexuality make them, in your eyes, unable to care for a child.

Wouldn't two people with two different personalities raising a child be better than JUST a single mum or dad?

No im sure they would be wonderful parents, in a natural maternal paternal interaction with their child.. i think people are ignoring the nature of the situation... males, females, mothers and fathers in nature have different natural hormones etc, we are only animals, im sure we act on such things as instinct!

We arent compatible for a reason! ... Just because a male acts all feminine does NOT make him a female! and vice versa!

Sure i could be proven wrong through longer length research (as dbb said) but at this point i think nature has had its way forever.. and its only in our society where everything is 'you must accept everyones different' that this idea could proliferate.

As i said... Love is Love.. but i am genuinely concerned for a kids health when their natural right is taken just because two people who are indeed 'Different' want to play parents.

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My issue has never once been about same sex couple being unsuitable parents. It has been how the child will be treated by its peers.

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QUOTE(Senta @ Aug 14 2006, 05:13 PM)

this thread has done little other than expose how ignorant, thoughtless, old fashioned and downright prejudice some people in adelaide really are.

disapointing really, especially considering this thread is posted on a 'rave' website.

yes you are so right!! nice one!!

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QUOTE(BrettyH @ Aug 14 2006, 10:19 PM)

I'm really shocked and disheartened by some of the views presented here.

QUOTE(Quazza @ Aug 14 2006, 11:27 PM)

some peoples views in this thread are seriously disgusting......thats all im gonna say.*shakes head*

QUOTE(Rainbow_Brite @ Aug 15 2006, 12:03 AM)

No shit....Im really really shocked at how narrow minded some people are

so something that has been deemed illegal, wrong, unholy, etc etc for so many THOUSANDS of years and by billions of ppl should be deemed acceptable now by our cooked in the head society today?

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QUOTE(Betterman @ Aug 15 2006, 09:33 AM)

so something that has been deemed illegal, wrong, unholy, etc etc for so many THOUSANDS of years and by billions of ppl should be deemed acceptable now by our cooked in the head society today?

black people used to have to catch a different bus too roldy

but in the process, they've been the true renegades, and the true rebels always walk alone anyway

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QUOTE(Betterman @ Aug 15 2006, 09:33 AM)

so something that has been deemed illegal, wrong, unholy, etc etc for so many THOUSANDS of years and by billions of ppl should be deemed acceptable now by our cooked in the head society today?

times have changed harry, get used to it......

being gay is not something that is illegal nor wrong or unholy....

they say that "God" is forgiving of many sins.... if "He" is forgiving of people who have commited crimes and murder then why the hell is being in love with someone of the same sex wrong????

If you have/had a family member that came out... would you suddenly discard of them for being different? or as you so say it WRONG and SICK?

i didnt think you'd have this opinion and would be more open..... in fact a lot of the comments in this thread have disgusted me!

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there is no god anyway so roldy's whole argument is invalid

but in the process, they've been the true renegades, and the true rebels always walk alone anyway

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QUOTE(Betterman @ Aug 15 2006, 10:33 AM)

by billions of ppl should be deemed acceptable now by our cooked in the head society today?

id prefer the term 'socially developed'

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QUOTE(~: kez :~ @ Aug 15 2006, 10:39 AM)

times have changed harry, get used to it......

being gay is not something that is illegal nor wrong or unholy....

they say that "God" is forgiving of many sins.... if "He" is forgiving of people who have commited crimes and murder then why the hell is being in love with someone of the same sex wrong????

If you have/had a family member that came out... would you suddenly discard of them for being different? or as you so say it WRONG and SICK?

i didnt think you'd have this opinion and would be more open..... in fact a lot of the comments in this thread have disgusted me!

some things have changed for the better, some for the worse

as for the god comments, it is specifically mentioned in the bible that same sex relationships and marriage is wrong and a bad sin in gods eyes, just like adultery. shall we make that ok to do as well?

and no i wouldnt discard them, i would still love them as they are family

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ok... so ur saying in gods eyes that its wrong for same sex marriages and relationships....

but where in the bible does it say that its ok to commit murder??? we seem to hear of all these people that have commited a horrific crime and turned to god in their time of need and he was very forgiving and took them under his wing blah blah blah.....

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QUOTE(Mayday @ Aug 15 2006, 07:47 AM)

My issue has never once been about same sex couple being unsuitable parents. It has been how the child will be treated by its peers.

That is a good point but is just to do with how other peoples parents act, and the way this thread is going, sounds like it would be taught not to do that, coz that would obviously make the damage worse.

Honestly, Most of these cries of 'ignorant' .. 'closed minded' ... to me sound like they are coming from Parrots who are stuck with this image in their head that 'everything should be accepted' ... (So much bullshit stuff is accepted these days (see below for example).. and we are NOT socially advanced at all) and THEY are really the closed minded ones blindly agreeing with a trend in society without actually considering that maybe yes, it is unnatural for 2 x mother or father to go ahead and raise a child.. and it could affect them.

and as someone said about the divorces etc.. after seeing the effect it had on friends etc and reading about it in mags etc... i would have the stupid perception that people can divorce and remarry as much as they want even with they had kids squashed!

And on the 'coloured' people front... in the times of discrimination against them.. they didnt have mechanisms that STOPPED Them getting on the bus.. and it took 'white people' to finally work out a way to do it

.. which would be similar to this argument, we were just being assholes.

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QUOTE(~: kez :~ @ Aug 15 2006, 10:57 AM)

ok... so ur saying in gods eyes that its wrong for same sex marriages and relationships....

but where in the bible does it say that its ok to commit murder??? we seem to hear of all these people that have commited a horrific crime and turned to god in their time of need and he was very forgiving and took them under his wing blah blah blah.....

it doesnt
in fact thats one of the commandments, to not murder another human

the whole forgiveness thing works like this. if you commit a sin and are sorry, you ask for forgiveness. if you are truly sincere and sorry, you are forgiven for it and you go on, and dont do it again.

but you cant do something thinking its ok i can just ask for forgiveness after cause it wont work then. and it will only work if you forgive others for bad things they do to you. God only forgives those who forgive others

but thats for the other thread this ones about same sex marriages....

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so something that has been deemed illegal, wrong, unholy, etc etc for so many THOUSANDS of years and by billions of ppl should be deemed acceptable now by our cooked in the head society today?

Haha this is really suprising.. I thought a guy of your intelligence would have a little more sense... If you believed in evolution I would have to say that you are setting the species back and ask you kindly not to breed.

The only reason homosexuality has been shunned in the past is because some chump like you wrote it in a big book and said "God says it's bad!"

This just goes to prove that despite being "illegal, wrong, unholy" for "THOUSANDS OF years" homosexuality has prevailed. I see no problem in this..

I ask you this, who made homosexual people? Surely it was God!

Again I will re-itterate. I have absolutely no problem with people of any sex, race, persuasion getting married if they love eachother. Especially if this entitles them to benefits that "traditional" couples get such as wills, healthcare etc...

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I was just using Harry's frame of reasoning to debunk his argument

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QUOTE(Courtz @ Aug 15 2006, 12:06 PM)

But Harry is very religious

whats the lords thought on drug taking harry?

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whats the lords thought on drug taking harry?

Nothing is mentioned in the bible about drug taking, I think the lord approves drug taking....

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QUOTE(Quazza @ Aug 15 2006, 03:24 PM)

whats the lords thought on drug taking harry?

nothing is mentioned, not that it matters to me anway

as long as its ok to drink alcohol

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bibles view on drugs

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QUOTE(Szymon @ Aug 15 2006, 03:58 PM)

bibles view on drugs

an interesting read but thats one persons interpretation of words, it doesnt cite any paragraphs or phrases that specifically talk about it

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So everyone here is saying that gay marraiges are wrong because someone else told them it was wrong and immoral?

Personally, I have better things to worry about than someone elses preferences, let alone listen to what someone else tells me what my views shuold be.

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QUOTE(Betterman @ Aug 15 2006, 03:10 PM)

an interesting read but thats one persons interpretation of words, it doesnt cite any paragraphs or phrases that specifically talk about it

thats what i used to think when i was force-fed religion when i was a youngin, that it doesnt specificly say the word 'drugs' anywhere so it must be ok...but what about "Since we have these promises, beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from every defilement of body and spirit" or "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil...etc" doesnt that pretty much cover everything (drugs/alcohol etc)?

youre right though, the bible is totally open for individual interpretations, thats why personally i dont believe it & dont see the point of believing in it if with half the stuff you can just interpret it anyway you want (but thats more for the other thread i guess)

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QUOTE(Mayday @ Aug 15 2006, 07:47 AM)

My issue has never once been about same sex couple being unsuitable parents. It has been how the child will be treated by its peers.

for ages i was trying to think of how to word my thoughts.. and you've done it perfectly. i think that same sex marriages should be treated as any marriage.. we're all human! i think they would also make as good parents as any other couple would depending on the individuals of course..

i also have an issue with how the child would be treated by others though.. it would be hard seeing all the other kids with a "normal" family. but then again is that not the same for a child with only one parent or divorced parents? im not sure.. its harsh for the child with any type of parental situation that is not considered "normal" when you are young.

but whats the most important is for a child to have at least one or two loving guardians.. doesnt matter what sex or what sexuality! "gay" or "straight" doesnt need to be a role model.. the real role modelling comes with an individual's personality

not sure if that makes sense i find it hard to word thoughts!!

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meh.. who really cares??? I object more to people who marry over and over again or just do it for the convenience/ money they might get out of it as opposed to the proper reason for marriage - that being because they truly love the person they are marrying and want to spend the rest of their lives with only that person. If some gay boy/girl thinks they have found their soul mate and want to make the commitment let 'em do it.... might get them to keep it behind doors instead of the south parklands where i have to see it while walking to and from work every morning and night!

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QUOTE(mich @ Aug 15 2006, 03:44 PM)

meh.. who really cares??? I object more to people who marry over and over again or just do it for the convenience/ money they might get out of it as opposed to the proper reason for marriage - that being because they truly love the person they are marrying and want to spend the rest of their lives with only that person. If some gay boy/girl thinks they have found their soul mate and want to make the commitment let 'em do it.... might get them to keep it behind doors instead of the south parklands where i have to see it while walking to and from work every morning and night!

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Were you going to say something there, Jessica?

Some of the people here have said it's immoral because the bible said so, and then in the God thread said that they're not religious...
How's that work?

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QUOTE(LightningChyld @ Aug 15 2006, 05:45 PM)

Were you going to say something there, Jessica?

Some of the people here have said it's immoral because the bible said so, and then in the God thread said that they're not religious...
How's that work?

some people are just very confused i think

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Honestly, I don't feel comfortable SEEING it, however, its their business, they should be treated equally as anyone else, especially finacially and so forth. ie. death of partner etc.

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QUOTE(Betterman @ Aug 14 2006, 04:35 PM)

do any other mammals or animals have gays in their population?

or are humans the only one?

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20..._gayanimal.html

yes it occurs normally in the animal kingdom too..eg male dolphins are often gay..

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QUOTE(Betterman @ Aug 15 2006, 10:33 AM)

so something that has been deemed illegal, wrong, unholy, etc etc for so many THOUSANDS of years and by billions of ppl should be deemed acceptable now by our cooked in the head society today?

Being gay is not illegal..

and by the way who's god says it is wrong..? Not mine thats for sure..

See ya later guys i'm moving to Canada, their government is much further ahead then ours in more ways then just gay rights..

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QUOTE(Betterman @ Aug 15 2006, 12:12 PM)

from another site

if you take a million people from birth and set them to a remote island where they have no contact with any gays what so ever i doubt even one will be gay

question to you..

so who was the original gay person that has started the whole influencial gay thing spreading throughout the world..?

pretty much what you wrote has no sense to it at all dude!

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QUOTE(dEElirIous @ Aug 15 2006, 07:23 PM)

question to you..

so who was the original gay person

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shout outs to the homophobe crew, this threads for you

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on the topic itself, let them do as they wish but at the end of the day you dont need a peice of paper to say you love someone

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QUOTE(Dimitri @ Aug 15 2006, 09:28 PM)

on the topic itself, let them do as they wish but at the end of the day you dont need a peice of paper to say you love someone

See, this is why I personally don't really like the idea of marriage. But hell, if ANYONE wants to do it as a sign of their commitment, go ahead.

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gay marriage... well... love is a bastard of an emotion... i dont know of anyone who can accurately describe it. if 2 people genuinely love each other then i guess everyone else just has to deal with it.

i don't really mind what eh gay community do as long as it isnt slapped in my face. i accept that people are attracted to members of the same sex. i would be lying however if i said i wasnt uncomfortable seeing two guys kissing. i have never found myself attracted to another guy, that's about it.

i do not wish to see massive gay pride marches... if you are after equal rights... just go and live your life. don't draw atttention to yourselves. just do it. the world we live in is all caught up in equal rights. i however believe that this can be a massive crock of shit at times as there is verly few ways to look at any situation without any trace of bias.

normality is the bounds of our own perception. to me it is not normal to be attracted to a member of the samr sex. to a homosexual person, it may not be normal to be attracted to someone of the opposite sex.

i believe that in view of financial situations that there should be recognition of any partnership. however i do believe that sexuality is a choice and a choice that can be guided by our surroundings.

for example, trendsbians.... girls who kiss girls for attention or cos its the "in thing to do"... this wouldnt occur if it wasnt pushed upon by media and made out to be "cool" by society

im not calling for a witch hunt at all. i am just saying that i do believe that people should just live their lives without drawing attention to their sexual orientation. if love is important who gives a fuck what everyone else thinks... so why do you need to let them know. dont hide it but dont flaunt it.

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Marriage is a shame anyway, The majority just end up in a divorce now days anway. I work with a 50 something Y/O guy who just imported and married a 24 Y/O Thai girl who can't speak any other english except "Me love you very much". She only got let into the country because she's pregnant with his kid, They got married last week. He even boasts the only reason they're getting married is so she can get medicare and he won't have to fork out for the hospital bill for the birth and how the whole thing only cost $450 for the civil servant in a public park. BYO drinks and pay for your own dinner(cash gifts welcome)< It actually said that on the peace of paper in the staff room you were supposed to add your name to if you wanted to go.

You see that in my book is wrong, he gets to screw a young girl she gets let into the country, Yay for the Santity of marriage.

Although by banning gay unions it has a funny side effect that gay couples can scam centrelink as one's a poor single mother while her "flatmate" rakes in the money...

Another point is when people bag out gay people, they do it like it is a choice thing. Do you really think they just wake up one morning and say, gees I wish my parents would disown me, people would bag me out, bash me and laugh at me, yeah, that's it being gay sounds like a bundle of laughs I should do that.

My point is you'd have to be sick to choose to be gay, however I believe most don't have a choice.

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I'm a bit shocked at some people's opinions, but as they say"'each to their own".

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Well, essentially i've seen about 2 homophobic posts

.. i think the general consensus is that its ok to be gay, its other issues for some people :nods:

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QUOTE(Parallex @ Aug 16 2006, 01:45 PM)

Well, essentially i've seen about 2 homophobic posts

.. i think the general consensus is that its ok to be gay, its other issues for some people :nods:

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QUOTE(Quazza @ Aug 16 2006, 03:12 PM)

not naming names do they rhyme with Letterman and Forts?

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QUOTE(~: kez :~ @ Aug 15 2006, 01:54 PM)

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you have said everything i think too

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QUOTE(mich @ Aug 15 2006, 04:44 PM)

meh.. who really cares??? I object more to people who marry over and over again or just do it for the convenience/ money they might get out of it as opposed to the proper reason for marriage - that being because they truly love the person they are marrying and want to spend the rest of their lives with only that person. If some gay boy/girl thinks they have found their soul mate and want to make the commitment let 'em do it.... might get them to keep it behind doors instead of the south parklands where i have to see it while walking to and from work every morning and night!

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If two gay people love each other and get married and stay that way, what's so wrong with that, better than the what is it? 49-51% of straight marriages that end in divorce.

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QUOTE(TROUb9L @ Aug 16 2006, 03:45 PM)

49-51% of straight marriages that end in divorce.

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Have to agree with a lot of what marc E said - as in I don't have a problem with it as long as its not in my face all the time - it seems like every TV show has to have token gays in it now, which is rather tedious. The other issue to be looked at is that if for instance gay marriages are widely accepted, will it be acceptable for them to raise children?

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there should be a island we can send them all to

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QUOTE(towndrunk @ Aug 16 2006, 04:11 PM)

there should be a island we can send them all to

be better off sending retards like yaself to said island

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QUOTE(Quazza @ Aug 16 2006, 04:39 PM)

be better off sending retards like yaself to said island

If you're paying a return airfare.. im down for going to an Island (Tropical Please) for a few weeks

and refer to wat do you look like thread... im obviously a retard

.. and in light of previous replies, im sure the dude was just taking the piss (sitrring the pot might be a better phrase)

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QUOTE(march E @ Aug 15 2006, 11:52 PM)

i don't really mind what eh gay community do as long as it isnt slapped in my face.

Translation: "I am a homophobe."

This is what homophobes who can't admit it - perhaps they want to be seen as open-minded and progressive - say, and this is also one of the most damaging aspects of homophobia; those that keep their true feelings hidden under the surface. After all, how can we open people's minds about such issues if they can't even admit that it is closed? If you don't mind Gays "so long as they don't slap me in the face with it", then by definition you actually do mind.

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QUOTE(BrettyH @ Aug 16 2006, 06:15 PM)

Translation: "I am a homophobe."

This is what homophobes who can't admit it - perhaps they want to be seen as open-minded and progressive - say, and this is also one of the most damaging aspects of homophobia; those that keep their true feelings hidden under the surface. After all, how can we open people's minds about such issues if they can't even admit that it is closed? If you don't mind Gays "so long as they don't slap me in the face with it", then by definition you actually do mind.

isn't that better than being a gay basher? who cares if he doesn't want it shoved in his face, he's quite happy to let them do what they want which is what really matters imo

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QUOTE(dubbd @ Aug 16 2006, 06:22 PM)

isn't that better than being a gay basher? who cares if he doesn't want it shoved in his face, he's quite happy to let them do what they want which is what really matters imo

Of course it is better than being an gay basher...what a foolish comment. That is like saying to someone after they have been raped "well, it's lucky you got raped by a rapist, which is much better than if you had been raped by a murderer."

The fact is that not wanting to see homosexuality is not accepting it. Also, it is also saying that being gay outside the confines of your home is not right; after all, then it would be "in your face." So what are Gay people meant to do according to this argument? Logically, if they adhered to this argument they would never be able to leave their homes!

And yes, I am Gay. I don't want tolerance. I want acceptance.

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Well of course people arent going to be completely all for it straight away... its is completely different to what has been natural to many people.. it is unknown

Him not accepting it would be lookign at your post where you are open about your sexual preference and saying 'what the hell is wrong with you *string of derrogatory comments* ' .. yet he ACCEPTS it is out there and ADMITS that for the time being he is uncomfortable with it being close to him! It takes a while, when i was younger i found it weird we had family friends who were a gay couple, but these days ill pick up something they fixed up from them and have coffee and chat about shit.

So how about you be more tolerant of other peoples attempts to try and accept something completely different instead of expecting them to jump on the ship and slowly it will all work out for you...

...and what is it with people using crazy rapist murder analogies in their arguments.. its stupid

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Brett tolerance and acceptance takes time and knowledge. Fear and ignorance is the cause of homophobia and unfortunatley i'm not sure whether much of what we've been discussing here will get through to some of these people, but i guess if we don't talk about it then they may not hear these idea's. Well what i'm trying to say is I wouldn't stress to much about the opinons on here

QUOTE(BrettyH @ Aug 16 2006, 07:15 PM)

Translation: "I am a homophobe."

This is what homophobes who can't admit it - perhaps they want to be seen as open-minded and progressive - say, and this is also one of the most damaging aspects of homophobia; those that keep their true feelings hidden under the surface. After all, how can we open people's minds about such issues if they can't even admit that it is closed? If you don't mind Gays "so long as they don't slap me in the face with it", then by definition you actually do mind.

By the way you had a good point here!

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well i don't mind seeing 2 gay people holding hands but if they are sucking face in public then thats where i would feel it is getting pushed in my face. and it's not that it's because they are gay, if it was a hetro couple i would be annoyed to.

my point is that not everyone will be accepting, no offence but if people are happy to let you live your life how you want with equal rights and all that, but they just don't want it in their face, then i reckon it's a positive thing. tollerence is better than nothing imo.

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QUOTE(BrettyH @ Aug 16 2006, 06:38 PM)

The fact is that not wanting to see homosexuality is not accepting it. Also, it is also saying that being gay outside the confines of your home is not right; after all, then it would be "in your face." So what are Gay people meant to do according to this argument?

I think he was just trying to make a small joke there.. I'm not positive that he meant 'slapped in the face' as homosexuality as a whole, or just talking about getting slapped by a gay bloke's dick...
There is lots of shit that goes on in this world that i accept, but dont want to see.. I think its the same for most people..

I dont gaf what people want to do, but there is definately some limits... I dont want to see 2 blokes or 2 girls hooking up in the street, just like i dont want to see a male and female hooking up in the street.. Does that mean i dont accept heterosexuality because i dont necessarly want to see a guy and a girl getting it on in the middle of rundle mall?

I'm straight by the way... Just to clear that up

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QUOTE(Quazza @ Aug 16 2006, 04:39 PM)

be better off sending retards like yaself to said island

your telling me it wouldnt make you sick seeing two dudes goin at it ?

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And i think homophobia is a weird term to apply to the general disagreer...

Phobia's are much worse than feeling uncomfortable with the unknown, you put someone in a plane full of snakes, even if they know they're not poisonous or threatening and they're gonna say, OH SHIT.. THERE'S ALOT OF SNAKES ON THIS MOTHER FUCKING PLANE!

... And yeh, hetero couples going at it in public is a bit offputting anyway!

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QUOTE(Parallex @ Aug 16 2006, 06:54 PM)

OH SHIT.. THERE'S ALOT OF SNAKES ON THIS MOTHER FUCKING PLANE!

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QUOTE(towndrunk @ Aug 16 2006, 07:53 PM)

your telling me it wouldnt make you sick seeing two dudes goin at it ?

If you were one of the dudes then probably yes it would...

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"Tolerance" is an awful term. If you tolerate someone/thing that means you hate it but keep your mouth shut about it.

Acceptance is much better... If someone said to me that they "tolerate" me or my ideals Id kick them in the nuts. Id rather someone spoke their mind than showed "tolerance" to anything.

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QUOTE(Mayday @ Aug 16 2006, 08:11 PM)

"Tolerance" is an awful term. If you tolerate someone/thing that means you hate it but keep your mouth shut about it.

Acceptance is much better... If someone said to me that they "tolerate" me or my ideals Id kick them in the nuts. Id rather someone spoke their mind than showed "tolerance" to anything.

matt, tolerance means respect and (somewhat) understanding

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QUOTE(Mayday @ Aug 16 2006, 07:11 PM)

"Tolerance" is an awful term. If you tolerate someone/thing that means you hate it but keep your mouth shut about it.

Acceptance is much better... If someone said to me that they "tolerate" me or my ideals Id kick them in the nuts. Id rather someone spoke their mind than showed "tolerance" to anything.

tol·er·ance Audio pronunciation of "Tolerance" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (tlr-ns)
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1. The capacity for or the practice of recognizing and respecting the beliefs or practices of others.
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1. Leeway for variation from a standard.
2. The permissible deviation from a specified value of a structural dimension, often expressed as a percent.

Mayday, Its misinformation like this that makes words like tolerance which are perfectly suitable.. become some sort of blasphamy!

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this is the way i see it. gay couples are around whether we like it or not so it doesnt really matter whether their married or not. Being married isnt gona make them snog in public all the time.

QUOTE(dubbd @ Aug 16 2006, 06:50 PM)

well i don't mind seeing 2 gay people holding hands but if they are sucking face in public then thats where i would feel it is getting pushed in my face. and it's not that it's because they are gay, if it was a hetro couple i would be annoyed to.

my point is that not everyone will be accepting, no offence but if people are happy to let you live your life how you want with equal rights and all that, but they just don't want it in their face, then i reckon it's a positive thing. tollerence is better than nothing imo.

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QUOTE(Parallex @ Aug 16 2006, 06:46 PM)

Well of course people arent going to be completely all for it straight away... its is completely different to what has been natural to many people.. it is unknown

I wouldn't say homosexuality is "unknown"...it has been around since there has been sex mate. And I can guarantee that everyone on this board has grown up in a society where gay culture/people have been prevalent in one way or another. It is nothing new to them. Therefore, the excuse of "I'm not used to it" is not a particularly valid excuse as to a person's intolerance. I think that, perhaps, instead of blaming people for their intolerance I should perhaps focus more on intolerance society as a whole. But then again, society is formed of people...Catch-22.

QUOTE(Parallex @ Aug 16 2006, 06:46 PM)

Him not accepting it would be lookign at your post where you are open about your sexual preference and saying 'what the hell is wrong with you *string of derrogatory comments* ' .. yet he ACCEPTS it is out there and ADMITS that for the time being he is uncomfortable with it being close to him! It takes a while, when i was younger i found it weird we had family friends who were a gay couple, but these days ill pick up something they fixed up from them and have coffee and chat about shit.

Hmmm...you are right; I shouldn't expect tolerance straight away from people. So how long should I be expected to wait? 1 year? 10 years? Like I said, homosexuality has been around since there has been sex. That is, since the dawn of humanity...in species other than our too I should like to add. So...gays have been waiting hundreds of thousands of years whilst being treated as deviants - often killed - and never accepted in society as a whole. I ask again: how long must gays wait for people to accept them? Another hundred thousand years?

QUOTE(Parallex @ Aug 16 2006, 06:46 PM)

So how about you be more tolerant of other peoples attempts to try and accept something completely different instead of expecting them to jump on the ship and slowly it will all work out for you...

Yes I should practice what I preach. But, as above, how long should gays have to wait for people to accept them?

QUOTE(Parallex @ Aug 16 2006, 06:46 PM)

...and what is it with people using crazy rapist murder analogies in their arguments.. its stupid

The example may be ludicrously extreme, but the logic behind it is perfectly sound

Often extreme examples such as I used are very effective at exposing the pathetic logic behind people's statements.

Having said ALL of that...all excellent points mate - however much I disagree with them - it's so nice to have a genuine argument with the articluate people on this board!

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Since marriage is a tradition started by the christian church I can't see why many gay ppl would want to get married. I mean it's real purpose when it was created was to make a covenant in front of God (the christians view of God) that u would be with that person until u die. The vast majority of gay ppl don't believe in the christian God, so why get married?
Mebee they are after public recognition as a couple instead of the covenant with God part.....in which case I have 2 words....defacto relationship. Do what everyone else does who is disillusioned with marriage these days. Shack up for a few years and you have pretty much the same rights as a married couple.

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Are you suggestng that non-christian religions never married?

The book of Exodus was written about 4000 years before christianity and talks about peoples wives...

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QUOTE(Monkeh @ Aug 16 2006, 09:06 PM)

Since marriage is a tradition started by the christian church

BABOW! You think previous cultures didnt marry? Christians have this delusion they were the original and the best...weeeeiiirrrd!

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QUOTE(Monkeh @ Aug 16 2006, 09:06 PM)

Since marriage is a tradition started by the christian church I can't see why many gay ppl would want to get married. I mean it's real purpose when it was created was to make a covenant in front of God (the christians view of God) that u would be with that person until u die. The vast majority of gay ppl don't believe in the christian God, so why get married?
Mebee they are after public recognition as a couple instead of the covenant with God part.....in which case I have 2 words....defacto relationship. Do what everyone else does who is disillusioned with marriage these days. Shack up for a few years and you have pretty much the same rights as a married couple.

I can see where you are going...but marriage is hardly about God nowadays; it has become a potent symbol for two people to show eachother they love eachother (and to have access to the benefits the law allows). A belief in God is not a prerequisite to get married.

As for defacto relationships...gays aren't recognised in defacto relationships. I think it may be different in other states (though none give them equal rights)...but certainly our little state is lagging way behind. A shame...especially when you consider the fact that we were the first to give women the vote, aborigines the vote and the Dunstan era etc.

Oh - and just so people know...marriage actually started as a way to ensure peace between warring tribes many moons ago. The thinking was you wouldn't go to war with a tribe while your daughter lived there. In fact it is still common practice today among royalty...Britain's and Germany's WW1 leaders - the Kaiser and the King - were cousins. Obviously didn't work too well then. The British royals name was actually Saxe Coburg-Gotha...King George (or one of them) changed the name to Windsor after WW1 (I think).

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Marriage is not a covenant in front of God if you don't believe in God, Terry.

I don't believe in God. You know this better than most. If I were to EVER get married it would be because I wanted to make the ultimate commitment to the person I loved. God has nothing to do with my idea of marriage... Nor does it have a lot to do with many other people's idea of marriage.

Marriage IS sacred, I agree with the other people who have said that. Marriage is something NOT to be taken lightly, or to be put on TV or the radio. It's a huge undertaking.
If someone believes that they and their partner (male, female or both) are ready to undertake this... Let them. Why should they not? Many committed and happy Gay couples live together already, why not let them make it official so that same loving and committed partner may receive benefits, and vice versa.

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The book of Exodus was written about 4000 years before christianity and talks about peoples wives...

Absolutely. It may have been unclear about what I see as the christian church. Perhaps I should have said that marriage has it's origins around the time of mosaic law, a precursor to the christian church.
My real point was about how if you look at the traditional meaning of marriage it is a covenant with God, whereas it has been somewhat changed in modern times to completely exclude a God figure in some cases. I wonder if this is one of the reasons the divorce rate has never been higher? It's been too trivialised by all this watering down?

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Dunno why but thats fucking funny.

I don't care who puts what in where so long as it doesn't affect me.

Only issue I have is that any child raised in this sort of set up is going to cop some major fucking shit at school.

Kids are cruel, thats life.

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Why should marriage have to include a God figure?

Yes, other 'marriages' have been sanctified by a God... but you won't recognise that God. There is evidence of what can be called Marriage, or a union between monogamous couples WELL before organised religion was recorded.

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QUOTE(BrettyH @ Aug 17 2006, 07:30 PM)

Hmmm...I'm no psychiatrist but I want to get inside your thought processes. Here goes...

1. That guy called me a homophobe! I don't think I am. I'm gonna reply and tell him as much...I am very tolerant of homosexuals; just so long as they aren't those really gay homosexuals. I hate those people. But i'm not homophobe.
2. Now...how on earth do I tell this guy I am very tolerant? I know! I'll start my reply by calling him a fuckhead. If that isn't tolerance then I don't know what is...
3. Must remember to confuse the term 'political correctness'. Political correctness in this example would be doing what I say is correct - not being gay in public - rather than what he said - having the right to be gay and be accepted.
4. The TV just said "duty!!!" That's hilarious, because it rhymes with "doody". Which is a euphemism for poo! And we are talking about GAYS! Oh the irony...
5. On Law & Order playing the victim always works. I'll do that! Must say something to the effect of "it doesn't even matter what I say anymore, because you think I'm a homophobe!" Note to self: is there a smiley for sulking? Is that spelt right? Do I have a dictionary? Is dictionary spelt right? I'm confused.
6. Nap.
7. Just to reinforce how tolerant I am I think I might say he is talking bullshit (as saying respectfully "I think you are wrong and here's why" never works...or so I'm told. I wouldn't know, i've never tried it.) and should go kill himself - isn't that what gays do anyway? - by walking into traffic. Man, I'm just so tolerant.
8. Nap some more. Being called something I'm not makes me so mad!
9. Laugh some more; I said "bullshit" in number 7. BULLSHIT. When we are talking about gays! WHO TAKE IT UP THE ASS! HILARIOUS!

here we go again.

what's your point here? tell a childhood story or harp on about me preferring not to see two guys hooking up. its a preference its a free country, its not homophopbia. im not scared by it and isnt a phobia drawn from a fear?

law and order sucks, i wouldnt bother wasting time watching it.

hold on a minute. using your deductive thinking...

does this make you a heterophobe? you are making fun of a heterosexual, so i guess that's it.

"Translation: "I am a heterophobe."
This is what heterophobes who can't admit it - perhaps they want to be seen as open-minded and progressive - say, and this is also one of the most damaging aspects of heterophobia; those that keep their true feelings hidden under the surface. After all, how can we open people's minds about such issues if they can't even admit that it is closed? "

wow that works so well for you if i just substitute "homo" for "hetero"

oh and go play in heavy traffic was aimed soley at you, for labelling people something they are not not at gays in general.

This is hilarious. My flatmate and I are almost crying in laughter, throughout that whole post you have made NO sense whatsoever and didn’t prove any point at all.

Please entertain us some more

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QUOTE(march E @ Aug 17 2006, 07:58 PM)

here we go again.

what's your point here? tell a childhood story or harp on about me preferring not to see two guys hooking up. its a preference its a free country, its not homophopbia. im not scared by it and isnt a phobia drawn from a fear?

law and order sucks, i wouldnt bother wasting time watching it.

hold on a minute. using your deductive thinking...

does this make you a heterophobe? you are making fun of a heterosexual, so i guess that's it.

"Translation: "I am a heterophobe."
This is what heterophobes who can't admit it - perhaps they want to be seen as open-minded and progressive - say, and this is also one of the most damaging aspects of heterophobia; those that keep their true feelings hidden under the surface. After all, how can we open people's minds about such issues if they can't even admit that it is closed? "

wow that works so well for you if i just substitute "homo" for "hetero"

oh and go play in heavy traffic was aimed soley at you, for labelling people something they are not not at gays in general.

This is hilarious. My flatmate and I are almost crying in laughter, throughout that whole post you have made NO sense whatsoever and didn’t prove any point at all.

Please entertain us some more

My whole post was a joke...no need to take things so seriously. Just trying to lighten the mood. I thought it was funny - but apparently I was the only one.

But a few things I can't let slip: you called me a heterophobe (nice one by the way) for saying I poked fun at straight people. Wrong. I was just poking fun at you. But you are straight so i'll call that one a grey area. Yet you conveniently skip over the section where I poke fun at gay people - I said words to the effect of "isn't committing suicide what gay people do?" So maybe - using your logical deductions - I am a homophobe. Well...I do have that nasty narcissistic streak and I do have this sneaking suspicion of irrational self-loathing. Wow that was deep...thanks for the epiphany!

And you say I made no point at all. Do I really need to explain the mechanics of structuring a reply so that you take something that someone has said, turn it around, and use it against them? Oops...I just did.

But seriously - this has turned into a good laugh. I just can't help but wonder if my humour is a little too dry/advanced for you to understand...how on earth could you not understand the joke as it was intended? I'm sure everyone else here understood that the reply was not an argument or rebuttal but a pure piss-take of what you said...which is a surprise, since you used that same tactic (more or less) in your 'heterophobe' argument...*sigh*

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QUOTE(BrettyH @ Aug 17 2006, 09:26 PM)

My whole post was a joke...no need to take things so seriously. Just trying to lighten the mood. I thought it was funny - but apparently I was the only one.

But a few things I can't let slip: you called me a heterophobe (nice one by the way) for saying I poked fun at straight people. Wrong. I was just poking fun at you. But you are straight so i'll call that one a grey area. Yet you conveniently skip over the section where I poke fun at gay people - I said words to the effect of "isn't committing suicide what gay people do?" So maybe - using your logical deductions - I am a homophobe. Well...I do have that nasty narcissistic streak and I do have this sneaking suspicion of irrational self-loathing. Wow that was deep...thanks for the epiphany!

And you say I made no point at all. Do I really need to explain the mechanics of structuring a reply so that you take something that someone has said, turn it around, and use it against them? Oops...I just did.

But seriously - this has turned into a good laugh. I just can't help but wonder if my humour is a little too dry/advanced for you to understand...how on earth could you not understand the joke as it was intended? I'm sure everyone else here understood that the reply was not an argument or rebuttal but a pure piss-take of what you said...which is a surprise, since you used that same tactic (more or less) in your 'heterophobe' argument...*sigh*

i can seet this going on forever, you will constantly claim im a homophobe, i will constantly defend im not. your "humour" aside, nither is going to back down, so just accept you were wrong in your accusations and we can move on. k?

i can understand a joke, and parts of your reply may have had traces of comedy in them (in the likeness that plain chocolate may contain traces of nuts), i spent more time laughing at the general lameness. if you're humour is so "advanced" im sure your vocabulary is as well, it might even have the word "sorry" in it. maybe now might be a good time for you to say that word. until then

i am not a homophobe.... i dont have a problem with gay marriage... (thip)
i am not a homophobe.... i dont have a problem with gay marriage... (thip)
i am not a homophobe.... i dont have a problem with gay marriage... (thip)
i am not a homophobe.... i dont have a problem with gay marriage... (thip)
i am not a homophobe.... i dont have a problem with gay marriage... (thip)
i am not a homophobe.... i dont have a problem with gay marriage... (thip)
i am not a homophobe.... i dont have a problem with gay marriage... (thip)
i am not a homophobe.... i dont have a problem with gay marriage... (thip)
i am not a homophobe.... i dont have a problem with gay marriage... (thip)

sounds like a bit of a broken record...

take a dig at me if you will, i can take that, but at least accept im no homophobe k?

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BrettyHPosted: 17 Aug 2006, 9:04pm

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Yeah this is getting boring.

But you keep on harping on about me calling you a homophobe - get over it. Not once in my last rant (or the one prior) did I call you one. In fact, I called myself one! But I will say that your assertion that it's "ok by me" so long as the people you see/meet are not overtly gay or do not do any gay things (kissing/hugging. Which i'll admit I don't want to see any two people all over eachother in public) in front of you is not exactly accepting now is it? And that's fine (well, not really, but i'm tired of trying to explain this aspect of your thought process to you) - each to their own. But I will ask: what if this was "slapped in your face" as you at a friend's home? Or does your "I don't want to see that shit"/"don't draw attention to yourselves" rule only apply in public? You have already said you wouldn't feel comfortable seeing this - hey, the majority of people on this board wouldn't - but my point is this: that you don't like people being gay in your presence. Your words say as much. I say this not to attack you or anything, I just want you to admit it.

And yes - I agree that we should agree to disagree. Agreed?

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Seems pointles to me, other than to try to say i want to spend the rest of my life with you in a mighty formal way.

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QUOTE(dEElirIous @ Aug 17 2006, 01:20 AM)

Thanks for clearing that up, was kinda swinging towards Molly Meldrum...

speaking of Molly Meldrum.. I heard recently he is shagging Jeff from the Wiggles

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QUOTE(Howlett @ Aug 17 2006, 10:36 PM)

Seems pointles to me, other than to try to say i want to spend the rest of my life with you in a mighty formal way.

Who me?

I'm booking a trip for Spain/Netherland/Canada! For two, of course...

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QUOTE(BrettyH @ Aug 18 2006, 08:24 AM)

Who me?

I'm booking a trip for Spain/Netherland/Canada! For two, of course...

Canada, Canada!!

just a pity you would have to leave your country and go to such great lengths for something that happens so easily for others.

Just a question, if anyone knows the answer, a gay couple get married overseas, what happens with recognition of the marriage in countries where gay marriage is not yet happening..?

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QUOTE(Mr S @ Aug 18 2006, 02:03 AM)

speaking of Molly Meldrum.. I heard recently he is shagging Jeff from the Wiggles

speakin of the man, he was recently seen at a melb club pinging off his head
and yes, he was wearing the hat

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QUOTE(dEElirIous @ Aug 18 2006, 08:01 AM)

Just a question, if anyone knows the answer, a gay couple get married overseas, what happens with recognition of the marriage in countries where gay marriage is not yet happening..?

it gets struck out, means nothing, it's just a ring your your finger..
a current affair did a special on it a while back.

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QUOTE(Betterman @ Aug 18 2006, 09:46 AM)

speakin of the man, he was recently seen at a melb club pinging off his head
and yes, he was wearing the hat

He's like the orignial munter - countdown is such a laught to watch know we're older & more "educated"

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QUOTE(BaBIRaVa07 @ Aug 18 2006, 12:51 PM)

it gets struck out, means nothing, it's just a ring your your finger..
a current affair did a special on it a while back.

Correct. The Marriage Act used to have a clause that said something to the effect of "if you get married in another country and it is legal there, then it is also legal here." Lots of gays were using this as a loophole in the law, so they would go and get married in the netherlands, come home and be able to successfully have their marriage recognised under the law. John Howard closed this. I think it had something to do with the war on terror - doesn't everything? - so gay terrorists could not blow up heterosexual insitutions...i.e. anything to do with sports.

QUOTE(march E @ Aug 17 2006, 12:06 AM)

ok this is the part where i say how about you go play hide and go fuck yourself.

ok now was that name calling required fuckhead?

thank you and either think ablout what you are going to say before calling people names or go play in heavy traffic.

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QUOTE(march E @ Aug 17 2006, 08:46 PM)

...if you're humour is so "advanced" im sure your vocabulary is as well, it might even have the word "sorry" in it. maybe now might be a good time for you to say that word.

Hold on...I call you a homophobe, and you in turn call me a "fuckhead" and tell me I should go and kill myself and you have the audacity to suggest that I owe you an apology??? Perhaps I underestimated your sense of humour before...because that is hilarious.

What was that I said in my poking fun post on the other page about playing the victim?

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Seriously dude fucking let it go you made the last post he didn't reply then you go and quote him again..what are you trying to prove?

Its fucking lame

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yes yes i get your point...I was writing another reply and thought why not add that point too?

Is there a rule about how long someone can't reply for before you in turn can't quote them anymore that I wasn't aware of?

As always, feel free to not read what I say - you could have skimmed over what I said as soon as you saw that I had quoted him if that is how you felt you know...

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i think what courtz means is that you've go a losing battle on ur hands becos everyone has different opinions on this topic and just reading through the thread proves that... noone can change anyones perspective and thats what makes a discussion a discussion...listening to other peoples points of view and actually considering their thoughts and feelings, you may not agree with what someone says but to continually go on and on about something is like hearing a fukin broken record mate

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Thankyou...for putting that so politely! And I totally agree - the argument (and it looks like the thread too really...unless I scared everyone off! sorry) had finished...but to demand an apology blah blah blah not going into detail - I don't want to piss any more people off - really irked me is all.

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Well i am waiting for the law to change because it is a right that everybody should have and just hoping that people will be accepting and liberal minded of the new laws when they come in which i would think would be within the next ten years.. but we'll see i guess..

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I don't really see what the big issue with gay marriage is. I mean if people make that choice that they can be together they should have the same formal rights under law as those who happen to go the heterogenous rather than homogenous way.

Society is not gonna fall apart because we've legitimised homosexual relationships as far as matrimony goes. The church can get fucked because it's easy for them to say oh it's not natural but neither is raping and molesting little innoent boys and girls!

Same sex relationships have always been with us and there is now alot of scientific evidence as to why this is and no I'm not talking about a gay gene or any other such crap! You'll actually find that humans only have slightly more actual genes than a garden worm ie most living organisms have roughly the same gene makeup.

In the end if two people want to make a commitment there should be nothing stopping unless one party or the other will be subject to abuse and it is there that the law should step in.

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QUOTE(Mr S @ Aug 18 2006, 01:03 AM)

speaking of Molly Meldrum.. I heard recently he is shagging Jeff from the Wiggles

no shit..molly can still pull em..whada stud muffin.

anyway if a guy wants to marry a guy or girl a girl..let em do the dirty with a ring on their finger...meh...

cant wait for next century tho...guys marrying children..1rst guy to marry a doberman..

if its love its love..

love comes in many forms..sometimes in screaming gayness..*shrugs*

let em have their day in the sun..theyve been hiding in darkness for long enuff.

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QUOTE(march E @ Aug 17 2006, 08:46 PM)

if you're humour is so "advanced" im sure your vocabulary is as well

no u spelt it wrong

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i think same sex marriages should be allowed, if your really really in love with someone then to me thats it it.. to me that should be enough.. marriage isn't something to be taken lightly but what right does anyone have to tell someone they can't be togeether and accepted as a couple together because you both the same sex. it really isn't any ones business but their own , it doesn't involve you, its their fuk'n lives let them live the life they wanna live.

love is hard to find n it doesn't come along to often so wen you find it you wanna hold on to it n never let it go. (don't believe in god but for arguments sake..) god created us all equal with our own minds capable of making conscious decisions about the person who we become, physically we are made different with two reproductive systems that individually are useless but together they create life which is essential to reproduce therefore keeping our population well populated n shit

Thru IBF they can create a life and form a family so why the drama over if they get married i would of thought a human life would of been considered precious n maybe kicked up more of a fuss about that then a stupid piece of paper that says ya married

oooooooooo my gawd a child being raised by gays what would the neighbours think. <---- thats bout how pathetic all of this sounds!!

i reckon gay men have got it tougher than wat the lesbians have to deal with, n have to put up with being followed bashed and the rest whereas two girls hookup don't really think theres gonna be much in the way of complaints there. every guys fantasy unless you get the other half the tougher butcher meaner ones less appealing on the eyes but really little bit of name calling disaproving stares from the older folks

both lesbians and gay men deserve the right to get married n live there lives like everyone else
but as far as any of that coming to reality lesbians would get it for sure they'd be the favorite n one people could more easily bend to adjust but gay men being affectionate in public i don't think the public would warm to n want it in front of them

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I think that same sex marriages are fine, but they shouldn't be allowed to adopt children etc because the child will suffer immense torture while growing up ( torture from school friends etc )

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QUOTE(FunkyChicken @ Aug 19 2006, 09:19 AM)

.....1rst guy to marry a doberman.....

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rocky road should get marrired with a guy!

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