$2000 rebate for LPG

well fuck me sideways... i have my car booked in to get LPG put on this thursday... depending what comes up today i may have to delay it slightly.....

source.... www.news.com.au

LPG installers will know, should give them a call spadey

the government is officially releasing the details today so i wouldnt think they will even know yet
will find out today hopefully
if it starts immediately then tops!
if not then i may have to delay it until it does start
if its 6 months down the track then it wont be worth me waiting as i would say a grand in fuel costs by 6 months anyway

let us know how you go stevie


cant remember where i saw this but i believe there is a plan to tax the shit out of LPG within the next 12 months

exactly.. so everyone is a loser from this rebate wank

actually scrap that.... that was an old proposal... the 12.5c is actually the 2015 ceiling

this is from LPG Autogas Australia website.......



so there ya have it... no tax on LPG until 2011.. and by 2015 it will be 12.5c
fucking great if you ask me

And i'm sure it will be due to increased 'demand' due to the rebate... Im converting my car to Natural Gas



i heard about this too... about a year ago mind you.

And since when has the government never fed us bullshit before?
How many times have they betrayed us and fucked us over with their lies?

WAKE UP AND SMELL THE GAS! (and I ain't talking about your morning bog)

this is the killer punch
i want to know WHEN it starts

by this statement i took it as its an immediate thing.. for both new and used cars.. (from the australian)

Yep looks like you're right, I found more info.



http://www.ausindustry.gov.au/content/leve...3BF33B2423F9DA6

This post has been edited by muffins: Aug 14 2006, 10:12 PM

i for one am over the fucking moon



now like i said i booked my conversion in weeks ago and its going in on Thursday to get done
and its not even saying UP to $2000... its $2000 flat... so my conversion will cost me $350!

i feel like ive x-lotto!

Just say that everyone went to gas.
The dirty gov fuckers would miss out on a hole heap of money through petrol sales.
There for they will need to get that money from some where so up goes the tax on every other fucking thing.

I don't trust em and even though they now say 12.5c over the next 10 years.
They can change there mind, they've done it before.


I have a small car if I put a gas tank in the boot I will hardly have a boot.
It would be good if you could get them so they can be removed with a couple bolts and a normal gas connection like the BBQ. Or reallt small ones that hole stuff all but would be alright for 80 - 100 kms.



The price of gas can always go up on its own, it could double in price by like 2015, nothing to do with the exicise that will just go on top of the cost.

thats wicked news steve, great timing

i think we will see a ridiculous number of gas conversions in the next 6-12 months

expect huge waiting times!

cry me a river princess!
i'll be laughing all the way to the bank!

that's till gas prices hit $1.50 and you'll be weeping like the rest of us.

think your confused mate you meen the FILLING STATIONS he has one he rents out for $2500 a month + gas to a customer the pump has to go to sydney and be checked every 1200 hours. so i dont think youd be having one in your house . but you could if you want.

basically this is correct

if they don't get that tax revenue from petrol/gas they will just get it from somewhere else

your tax dollars fund the standard of living in this country, which i might add is pretty good

the point is they are already getting it somewhere else, everywhere else in fact, at almost every stage of money changing hands there's tax on it, and with motor vehicles there are countless extra tax's fee's and levy's already imposed... Petrol in my opinion, should be treated in a similar way to food when it comes to tax, it's a necessity of life in our society for the majority of the population, so it shouldn't be taxed as highly as luxury items like plasma tv's etc... and yet not only is it taxed, its taxed at a much higher rate than any luxury item you can buy.

Whenever there is more funding required for a particular standard of living there's either a levy or a fee above what we already pay in numerous tax's.

Yes you're right, welcome to the world.. no shit. However one alternative to spending an enormous amount of tax payers money on a rebate scheme that only benefits some people, would be to reduce the amount of tax taken in the first place from every litre of petrol.. this would benefit everyone with a vehicle, not just those who happen to have LPG convertible cars. The budget is in a strong surplus is it not ?

I would guess that one reason this avenue is being swept under the carpet is because both the government and the oposition know that a rebate scheme can be withdrawn when it's done its job gaining voters popularity, whereas hiking the tax on petrol back up at a later stage would cause a massive outcry... so if they reduced it, it would have to stay reduced and ofcourse they wouldn't want to entertain that idea.

I just can't believe that if there really is no justification for having the extra tax there other than "but we like the extra income" that no one with any clout has stood up and pressured them to reduce it.

Like back when petrol first started to rise, and the stations all had pie charts of where your money goes.. and most of it was tax... I wonder why that has dissappeared this time round... possibly some political pressure?

It particularly irks me that the price hikes in petrol obviously have one of the most significant impacts on peoples budgets than almost any other product, and yet it's conveniently left out of inflation and CPI measures, so it's not useful in bargaining for wage rises in accordance with rises in the cost of living even tho its one of the biggest contributers.

.. and since i've gone off on a left field rant anyway, whats the deal with dubai ? is really a coincidence that petrol is going through the roof for most of the world, while at the same time artificial islands, ski slopes and gigantic sky scraper hotels are springing up in the desert?

Sorry, end rant etc... "You took 5 minutes of my life and i want them back... aaah i'd only waste them anyway"

True, except what we're talking about here isn't handing out buying power to the population by drastically reducing petrol prices leaving us with more expendable income, it's more a case of buffering the price rises occurring as a result of the turbulent international situation so they have less of a financial impact on consumers and hence our economy.

I doubt you'd see 'inflation going off' because of petrol prices staying relatively even due to excise cuts, i think more likely would be an over-constriction of the economy resulting from petrol hikes leaving the population with substantially less expendable income, coupled with the interest rate rise thats already contributing to a reduction in spending power.

Yeah we have to deal with it, thats why its such a hot topic, not everyone has a lifestyle/work requirement than can easily be converted to the public transport system.

FUCKIN OATH!

I WOULD SAY OUR STANDARD OF LIVING IS THE BEST IN THE WORLD.

so what about the tax cuts that we all just got? i think most home owners would be getting around $25 a week more anyway (each), enough to still pay for petrol and to offset the higher mortgage

$25 a week each? $6 a week was the cut the majority of the population received, not quite enough to cover the jump from $1.30 to $1.80 per litre thats predicted.. thats without even considering higher mortgage payments. To be $25 a week better off you had to be earning over $70K or thereabouts, in which case I doubt you'd be quite as concerned over a few dollars worth of petrol.

Additionally, that tax cut is unlikely to be bettered any time soon, whereas we are likely to see more hikes in petrol over the coming months than we already have, so any advantage the tax cuts may have given us is probably going to evaporate rather quickly.

Anyway... i'm not to fussed at the moment, but if petrol does keep rising to prices as high as $2 per litre they should atleast reduce the excise percentage to keep the revenue taken per litre from rising along with the prices. Or am I mistaken in thinking that at the moment, the higher the price per litre the more revenue the govt gets from the excise?

This post has been edited by Lasermad: Aug 15 2006, 03:10 PM

exactly!!! cars and petrol are a luxury not a necessity.. if you can't afford it don't run it - that simple. The world would be a much healthier place if more people got off their lazy asses (or in this case out of their bloody cars) and used public transport or rode a bike. It's not that bloody hard and Adelaide really isn't so big that you need to drive everywhere!

having said that I do have a car, which i rarely use and I am happy to pay whatever the price of petrol is. It's not like I have to have it.. I'm just grateful that i live in a country where I can afford to have it. If it gets to a point where I can't afford to run my car so be it... I got legs, I'll just have to use them!

i,m with you on the fuck i hate politics!

BUT ....... i drive atleast 700km a week on most weeks it 1000km .........now my mate is doin my gas setup for $1700 bucks it will be a BLOODY LONG TIME BEFORE I LOSE OUT ON THIS DEAL MATE.
at the moment i spend probably 120 to 170 a week on fuel cut it down by a third say (cause you use more gas) i,ll be atleast saving $50 a week $2500 A YEAR.


and if the gas set up cost nothing........... WINNER!

but.. you still lose in the end

maybe your an exception, but the average person does not drive 1000km per week



This post has been edited by Mr S: Aug 15 2006, 05:33 PM

i dont know about still lose in the end its free for me cause my mate can do it under what the rebate is so FREE GAS SYSTEM and cheaper than any of you guys pay for fuel AND i do a 1000km a week.

i,ll always be infront of anyone INCLUDING MYSELF payin for petrol

as I said Jimbo.. maybe your an exception

this is all great in theory but in practice its not
a small percentage of people work in the city
i know for me if i was to catch public transport to work i would have to catch 2 buses
why would i do that when it takes me 15 minutes to drive there
carpooling is easy enough when you have someone going to the same place and who lives close by
not often the case really... its only very very occasionally where carpooling is even possible

if more people got the bus there would be more buses...

i should be a 1 weeks or 1 month pass for the bus in ADELAIDE...

this fuckign every trip system is crap...

every other major city in the world i've been 2 has a weekyl ALL YOU CAN EAT... PASS

it means you can catch the bus 2 stops 2 the shop and back... getting people used the bussing system!!!

now i feel different

and paul i remember when a monthly bus pass was about $15 ? maybe busses and trams.(which we hijacked once) but thats another story were. 20c a ride from memory.
the trouble with public transport is that it IN EVERY CITY runs at a loss so no government in its right mind is goin to do away with tax money from petrol and rego to put on more public transport at a loss.

mate we don't all have poorly designed, unreliable 3.8v6's like you

jimbo doesnt lose on this deal cause he gets a free gas conversion, then when they jack up the price of gas he uses his own natural gasses to power his car

I mentioned the city as that's the traffic i was observing, its also where there is a lot of congestion.
If i worked somewhere not along a single bus route i'd be driving too.

where is the proof to back up your claim?

heheh hint of sarcasim in there?

dont realy know mate but i do know that fords used to run better on gas than holdens(i,m a holden man) thats why taxis are usually fords.............

probabaly because they(car makers) skimp on parts ei valves heads seats inserts and gas runs at a higher tempriture therefore it burns out valves and the seats quicker?

but this is realy a thing of the past nearly all cars now have alloy heads with stainless inserts etcetcetc.

do you know? i,m guessing?

60Lt tank? Depending how its driven I get around 360-380, although im sure if it was a brand new system and tuned it could get more, went up from 280-300 to 360-380 after i had a few things fixed up.

how does the rebate work spade? in your tax return next year or done through the shop?

comon man your being VERY NIAVE.....................

1. LPG is one thing australia has fuckin heaps of.

2. i think you will find cars are covered by warranty if its done by an authorised gas converter.also if the demand is goin that way car companys WILL have to cater for it to get selling cars.............

3. your stament is complete bullshit my mate has been fitting gas syatems for 15 years and supplys the government with brand new gas fitted cars.

4. what is goin wrong with the cars???? NOTHING.


SORRY DUDE BUT YOU ARE WAY OF THE MARK.

This post has been edited by metal head!: Aug 19 2006, 02:56 PM

Really?

1. so. you need the refinerys. Time will tell won't it.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/lpg-ma...5407810459.html




2. http://www.mazda.com.au/articleZone5.asp?articleZoneID=4288



I'm sure other car web sites are similar, also :

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story...59-2702,00.html



3 and 4. I'm sure your mate is very proud.

BTW, I have references for the warrany issue - you don't. So don't call me naive, mr ignorant.

Here you go, birthday boy :

http://www.ausindustry.gov.au/content/leve...3BF33B2423F9DA6



ie. You do the conversion. You send in a form. They make payments back to you.

my tank is betwen 65-70 useable litres. I filled up Friday when the gauge was half way between empty and 1/4 and it took 63 litres. So far on this fill i have travelled 260km and the guage is still between 1/2 and 3/4
at this rate i should get up around 500+ kms which is fucking sensational


they arent paying out until Oct 1st. late September there will be application forms online and at medicare and centrelink
you lodge the application with your invoice and certificate of compliance at medicare or centrelink, and a few days later $2000 appears in your bank account

I'd be amazed with 500+ kms, did they hook it up to your normal fuel guage or add one of those LED ones in?
Mine displays on the normal fuel guage, but it still moves like a digital meter not analog, ie full, 3/4, 1/2 etc etc.

its got its own LED fuel guage. The gas fitter said that the analog ones which hook up to existing fuel guage are notorious ofr being inaccurate.

The only way to know for sure how much gas you have left is to look on the gauge on the back of the tank.. i will do that tonight.
Also i have read on forums that quite alot of 6cyl VX commies get up around and even over 500km a tank


i asked this question when i picked up my car
he said it doesnt need running on petrol. This was only necessary on carby engines....on EFI engines it wasnt needed

no not sure about it at all
its just what the guy told me.. he looked like a dick though.. he might have been a lacky
i guess you need to know if running on gas only will damage injectors and it may do that...so i guess it wont hurt to run it on petrol every now and then