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Abortion, Is it right, is it wrong?
reewindPosted: 26 Jul 2006, 12:21pm
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So, I've been doing a bit of study on ethics and that and one of the subjects that has inevitably come up is abortion.

There's a lot of young girls having kids these days at 14-15. Fuck, I read recently about a 12 year old who had a kid to get the new government benefits. But thing is for every young chick who has a kid at a young age, I'm sure there's many times more who abort them.

I think in some circumstances that abortion is justified. Especially in the case of really young girls who fall pregnant, who's body, mind and life experiences are not mature enough to be able to appropriately and safely care for a new life that is totally dependant on them. It's not fair on the baby or themselves. I just think it's unfortunate that not a lot of young girls realise this and go ahead with the birth and sacrifice their remaining childhood. Not to mention a decent upbringing for the child and opportunities in life.

Too many young girls seem to think that kids are a fashion accessory, and the novelty wears off pretty quickly. I think a lot of other young chicks also have kids when things are not good with their partner in the hope that a newborn will link them together and somewhat reconcile their differences. In fact I know this happens, I've seen it first hand many times.

I know there are people here who have had abortions and I don't expect them to post here with their reasons why they went through with it. That's their business and it's highly private and I respect that. I also know there are people on here who have had kids at a very young age.

But for those who are parents, and for that matter, those who aren't, if you had an unplanned pregnancy what would your reaction be? Would you consider abortion? Would you support your partners decision, whatever it was, or is it all about you and the stage of life that you are or aren't at?

For those who are older and do have the means to support a child if it happened. Would you accept the responsibility you have bestowed upon yourself by either getting someone pregnant or falling pregnant, or would you take the easy way out?

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theres a big difference between killing a small feotus that hasnt yet developed any real human functions and raising a child in a substandard environment that - isnt fair on the kid, parants, family etc

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reewindPosted: 26 Jul 2006, 12:29pm
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What if your partner wanted to keep it and you didnt?

Would you support them? Or do everything you can to convince them otherwise?

And for those that did have kids young... what made you keep them? Your own morals and beliefs, or the fact you genuinely wanted a child?

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ultimately the end decision lies with the mother as its her body
you'd hope you could come to a comprimise though
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i think that its a decision both the woman and man should come to together (obviously in a relationship situation)

although it is the womans body, she may carry a little more weight in the decision, but, its the mans child as well, and his wished should be taken into account.

I don't think its fair for anyone to say whether abortion is right or wrong, as it totally depends on each circumstance, and they can all vary so much.

Touchy issue this one.

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reewindPosted: 26 Jul 2006, 12:49pm
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Touchy issue this one.
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this is a very touchy issue, i don't think it is up to anyone to say it is right or wrong, it completely depends on the circumstances.

I have never had one and have no hard feelings towards anyone that has plenty of my friends have, but it would be a horrib;e decision to make to keep it or not. Some people are too young to look after themselves let anlone another human.

Did you see the ad for a current affiar tonight a 21 year old with 5 kids and gets every benefit she can with her partner and she pulls in over $40,000 pa and they are planning child number 6. If people said it was wrong to abort and it became ilegal this would probably become very common
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QUOTE(froggy.-.- @ Jul 26 2006, 12:50 PM)
Did you see the ad for a current affiar tonight a 21 year old with 5 kids and gets every benefit she can with her partner and she pulls in over $40,000 pa and they are planning child number 6.  If people said it was wrong to abort and it became ilegal this would probably become very common
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She obviously doesnt want children. She wants money.

If her benefits were capped I reckon you could just about guarantee she'd never fall pregnant again.
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I'm not saying much on this issue as I believe its a very sensitive subject, and no guys would have any idea on how it feels to be faced with such a heartbreaking decision. I didn't like the way you phrased it as "the easy way out" Mike, as for a lot of people, that's not how it is at all.
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i personally think its ok as you shouldnt bring a child into this world unless your ready and prepared. my opinion. that is all.
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QUOTE(kristen @ Jul 26 2006, 01:04 PM)
and no guys would have any idea on how it feels to be faced with such a heartbreaking decision.
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what the fuck.
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QUOTE(TCB @ Jul 26 2006, 01:06 PM)
i personally think its ok as you shouldnt bring a child into this world unless your ready and prepared. my opinion. that is all.
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seconded.

ready financially and emotionally.
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QUOTE(melly @ Jul 26 2006, 02:14 PM)
seconded.

ready financially and emotionally.
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yep exactly. otherwise your not just ruining the life your bringing in but also your own. you can argue all your want but children brought up in poverty usually end up in poverty. but also other social problems will arise.

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killing the chick would be a better thing to do in some cases.
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QUOTE(kristen @ Jul 26 2006, 01:04 PM)
I didn't like the way you phrased it as "the easy way out" Mike, as for a lot of people, that's not how it is at all.
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Some people make the decision because they need to and have no other option. I respect that.

Other people make the decision because they are irresponsible and it is a cop out for not accepting responsibility for their actions. Sorry, but when this happens it is an easy way out.

There are girls who have multiple abortions, each time they get pregnant they just go and have another abortion. That to me is an easy way out. They should not get pregnant in the first place if they aren't ready for children. Once is a mistake, fair enough, but any time thereafter it is only their own fault they have got pregnant and face the decision they face. If people aren't prepared to stop 1 minute to roll on a dinger then it's no ones fault but their own.

Sad thing is though, is it's a vicious circle. If they can't look after themselves adequetly, then they don't deserve children and it's back off to the doctors for another abortion. Like I said, once is a mistake and forgivable because you think people would learn. Any more though, the person's really got to be some sort of idiot to let it happen twice or more.

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QUOTE(alexb618 @ Jul 26 2006, 01:14 PM)
what the fuck.
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QUOTE(metal head! @ Jul 26 2006, 01:17 PM)
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QUOTE(kristen @ Jul 26 2006, 01:27 PM)
well how would you?!
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basically you are saying the father doesnt count
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QUOTE(reewind @ Jul 26 2006, 01:25 PM)
Some people make the decision because they need to and have no other option. I respect that.

Other people make the decision because they are irresponsible and it is a cop out for not accepting responsibility for their actions. Sorry, but when this happens it is an easy way out. 

There are girls who have multiple abortions, each time they get pregnant they just go and have another abortion. That to me is an easy way out. They should not get pregnant in the first place if they aren't ready for children. Once is a mistake, fair enough, but any time thereafter it is only their own fault they have got pregnant and face the decision they face. If people aren't prepared to stop 1 minute to roll on a dinger then it's no ones fault but their own.
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I'm sorry but that is absolute and utter bullshit.

there is nothing easy about an abortion and I am disgusted you would say such a thing.
log onto the LAN says:
i want to fuck her in the burns unit
log onto the LAN says:
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log onto the LAN says:
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Haha, I agree with that, Jimbo.

However, I agree with abortion. I myself could NEVR EVER raise a child. It just wouldn't happen. I do not consider myself emotionally equipped to deal with something like that.
I know I would be a bad mother. I know I would resent the child and resent that it had cut my life experiences short, in a way.
I would never want to raise a child that didn't have unconditional love and support, like I had when I was growing up. I feel VERY strongly about this.

I have a lot of friends who say "Oh, you'll change your mind," but to be honest, I don't think I will ever be ready for a child. I don't even like holding friend's children as I feel I will hurt them in some way.

I respect the choice that women make, AS LONG as it's for the right reasons. Sickness, possible death or severe retardation of the child, unemotional attachment or not being able to handle it financially.
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QUOTE(kristen @ Jul 26 2006, 01:04 PM)
and no guys would have any idea on how it feels to be faced with such a heartbreaking decision.
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QUOTE(alexb618 @ Jul 26 2006, 01:14 PM)
what the fuck.
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QUOTE(kristen @ Jul 26 2006, 01:27 PM)
well how would you?!
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While I do agree with you Kristen that a guy wouldn't know "exactly" how it would feel but still I think thats a pretty rude comment...

It would be a heartbreaking decision on both parts in my opinion, what if the guy wants to keep the baby but the woman doesn't? How would the guy feel?
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QUOTE(Courtz @ Jul 26 2006, 01:32 PM)
It would be a heartbreaking decision on both parts in my opinion, what if the guy wants to keep the baby but the woman doesn't? How would the guy feel?
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it's the woman's body so the choice is hers. simple.
log onto the LAN says:
i want to fuck her in the burns unit
log onto the LAN says:
'i slowly unpeeled her soft bandages'
log onto the LAN says:
'gently caressing the scolded flesh'
log onto the LAN says:
god i feel sick
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yup... but it will be quite interesting to see everyone's views on it.

QUOTE(froggy.-.- @ Jul 26 2006, 12:50 PM)
Did you see the ad for a current affiar tonight a 21 year old with 5 kids and gets every benefit she can with her partner and she pulls in over $40,000 pa and they are planning child number 6.  If people said it was wrong to abort and it became ilegal this would probably become very common
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011_saywhat.gif Personally... I would rather work full time and earn $40k than raise 6 kids at 21 years old! FUCK THAT. Stupid bitch! 016_lol.gif
QUOTE(reewind @ Jul 26 2006, 12:54 PM)
She obviously doesnt want children. She wants money.
If her benefits were capped I reckon you could just about guarantee she'd never fall pregnant again.
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040_thumbsup.gif its disgusting that there are some people in our society that see kids as a source of income. THEY COST MORE THAN YOU THINK IDIOTS!

QUOTE(kristen @ Jul 26 2006, 01:04 PM)
I'm not saying much on this issue as I believe its a very sensitive subject, and no guys would have any idea on how it feels to be faced with such a heartbreaking decision.
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Bullshit. its just as hard for both parties, the chick and the male. The chick is the one that goes through the op, sure... but apart from that, u can't tell me its any harder on the chick than it is the male.
QUOTE(kristen @ Jul 26 2006, 01:04 PM)
I didn't like the way you phrased it as "the easy way out" Mike, as for a lot of people, that's not how it is at all.
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Bullshit! So many people do take it as the easy way out!

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QUOTE(kristen @ Jul 26 2006, 01:27 PM)
well how would you?!
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ive been through it twice mate what can i say.....was a bad thing.........and a good thing.......... depends on where you are in life........ . what sort of life you can give your family after..........what sort of person you are.............bla bla.....

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QUOTE(melly @ Jul 26 2006, 01:33 PM)
it's the woman's body so the choice is hers. simple.
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Thats pretty rude though, in saying this does the guys feelings not count at all!!

I know it is the womans choice in the end and the guy can't do anything about it, but I don't think its as simple as you say!!

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QUOTE(reewind @ Jul 26 2006, 01:25 PM)

There are girls who have multiple abortions, each time they get pregnant they just go and have another abortion. That to me is an easy way out. They should not get pregnant in the first place if they aren't ready for children. Once is a mistake, fair enough, but any time thereafter it is only their own fault they have got pregnant and face the decision they face. If people aren't prepared to stop 1 minute to roll on a dinger then it's no ones fault but their own.

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i kinda of agree, or know what you are trying to say, some people use it as a form of birth control but i can also agree that it woudl not be a easy decision, it would stay with you for life always wondering. Some girls don't take responsiblity to ensure they don't get pregnant they just go do the deed then think oh it won't happen again and then it does and they get another one which i what they shoudl do if they can't take responsiblity for themselves. but i def don't think it would be easy
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QUOTE(Courtz @ Jul 26 2006, 01:36 PM)
Thats pretty rude though, in saying this does the guys feelings not count at all!!

I know it is the womans choice in the end and the guy can't do anything about it, but I don't think its as simple as you say!!
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QUOTE(melly @ Jul 26 2006, 01:31 PM)
I'm sorry but that is absolute and utter bullshit.

there is nothing easy about an abortion and I am disgusted you would say such a thing.
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It's called taking responsibility for ones actions, and considering two people have to be involved to make it happen, one of them remembering to do so is not hard to do.

Their carelessness costs a human life, the ultimate sacrifice. When it repeatedly happens, that disgusts me a lot more than posts on a messageboard.

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QUOTE(melly @ Jul 26 2006, 02:33 PM)
it's the woman's body so the choice is hers. simple.
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I agree with you on being financially and emotionally ready but that is bs.

It would come down to the couples circumstances i hope. However if there is no boyfriend or responsible father then i would reconsider my view. But to say the guy has no say is just narrow minded.


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QUOTE(kristen @ Jul 26 2006, 01:04 PM)
and no guys would have any idea on how it feels to be faced with such a heartbreaking decision.
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Having faced the situation myself i know very well how heartbreaking and gut-wrenching the decision was to make.

Ultimately the final decision is to be made by the mother carrying the child.
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