Regular Hard Dance Night..

QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 14 2005, 12:03 PM)

QUOTE (SiGO @ Jul 14 2005, 11:57 AM) I think it would be an absolutely fucking stupid idea. No offence. But it has been proven time and time again a weekly hard dance night will not pull a regular crowd anymore. Everyone is entitled to there opinion John, but what about Rush...? That was around for a while and only politics caused it's demise..

Yeah way back in the days of Rush.

How many failed clubs have come and gone since its demise?

Old Lerox, New Lerox, Traffic, Soda room, Black Cat(in its former self), earth is the latest incarnation and is pretty dismal.

All of these have played weekly Hard Dance at some stage.

QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 14 2005, 12:00 PM)

Also dan you have neen out of the adelaide scene recently, things are/have been changing..

i've been here for the past 7 months dude and i've been to basically every event and club.

granted i wasn't here last year but i do have a fair idea of what's gone on while i was away, do you think i would put on my revolution parties without first doing a little research into the scene???

like i said that's my point of view, i'm all for people getting out there and trying something different

good luck, but you will be pushing shit up hill to make any weekly event successful.

i think there is nothing wrong with earth. basically adelaide needs just 1 nice sized club to play the harder rave tuens we all love. whats wrong with earth ppl? why open a new place if u already got one? only criticism i have of it is that its so big, you need more ppl to fill the place up. opening another weekly hard dance place would kill both clubs. lets just keep 1, an get all the hard dance lovers to go there, just like it was back in the days at the tiv.

all we need is a carpark or shed next to earth now, an a brothel across the road

Variety is the key.

Unless you start another club that plays house or rnb. You'll be blingin in no time.

isnt Black also hard dance/trance on saturdays?

with that + Earth, there just isnt enough party people needed to make a great atmosphere.

QUOTE (Betterman @ Jul 14 2005, 12:30 PM)

i think there is nothing wrong with earth. basically adelaide needs just 1 nice sized club to play the harder rave tuens we all love. whats wrong with earth ppl? why open a new place if u already got one? only criticism i have of it is that its so big, you need more ppl to fill the place up. opening another weekly hard dance place would kill both clubs. lets just keep 1, an get all the hard dance lovers to go there, just like it was back in the days at the tiv. all we need is a carpark or shed next to earth now, an a brothel across the road

Management is also a problem at Earth.

I think a veriety of the styles is the key,also a small venue so it seems busier and people will stay instead of leaving due to the place looking empty, and a smaller venue is alot more welcoming to people..

QUOTE (tekJuliet @ Jul 14 2005, 12:33 PM)

isnt Black also hard dance/trance on saturdays? with that + Earth, there just isnt enough party people needed to make a great atmosphere.

black cat has a harder night, but it is on fri nights, and sigo is right about earth..

QUOTE (SiGO @ Jul 14 2005, 12:34 PM)

QUOTE (Betterman @ Jul 14 2005, 12:30 PM) i think there is nothing wrong with earth. basically adelaide needs just 1 nice sized club to play the harder rave tuens we all love. whats wrong with earth ppl? why open a new place if u already got one? only criticism i have of it is that its so big, you need more ppl to fill the place up. opening another weekly hard dance place would kill both clubs. lets just keep 1, an get all the hard dance lovers to go there, just like it was back in the days at the tiv. all we need is a carpark or shed next to earth now, an a brothel across the road Management is also a problem at Earth.

so is car parking & location (hindley st hoons)

agreed with the comments about a smaller place needed. something like tonic size would be good i rekon. also agreed with the comments about earths location. would be great if that were where the tiv is, or where soda rm is located

QUOTE (SiGO @ Jul 14 2005, 11:57 AM)

it has been proven time and time again a weekly hard dance night will not pull a regular crowd anymore.

Sigo is right here. Sure Rush used to pull a decent crowd most weeks but that was 2 years ago and this is now. 95% of the Rush crowd are nowhere to be seen nowdays.

People simply do not go out and support weekly hard dance events these days.. and I cannot see that changing no matter where the venue is or who is running it

They only come out for the big raves.. that's fact!

personally i feel earth has the capability of being a great club if it was done right.

if downstairs had a house/trancey feel with big club hits to get the fresh fm crowd in. DJ's like jase, josh, justice and the like would be good for that to pull the crowd then have the harder sounds upstairs.

have the club tracks earlier downstairs then build harder through the night but keep the upsatirs harder. it's just basic marketing it works for heaven, earth could be done the same just different dj's. but at least with upstairs we could have a second room of decent size to party in ourselves.

This post has been edited by hex on Jul 14 2005, 12:58 PM

QUOTE (hex @ Jul 14 2005, 12:57 PM)

personally i feel earth has the capability of being a great club if it was done right. if downstairs had a house/trancey feel with big club hits to get the fresh fm crowd in. DJ's like jase, josh, justice and the like would be good for that to pull the crowd then have the harder sounds upstairs.  have the club tracks earlier downstairs then build harder through the night but keep the upsatirs harder. it's just basic marketing it works for heaven, earth could be done the same just different dj's. but at least with upstairs we could have a second room of decent size to party in ourselves.

thats an excellent idea hex, an something you should mayb talk to earth mangement about
* in top room looking down in emperor palpatine voice*: let those fools have their 'house', little do they know they are being manipulated for the dark siide

This post has been edited by Betterman on Jul 14 2005, 01:06 PM

third that idea... that's fucken sick. i like it! Tho some of the crowd wouldn't necessarily be the people you're looking to attract, but i guess you get that wherever you are. Ya get that at earth already from what i've seen...

QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 14 2005, 11:31 AM)

I am talking about a different line up each night, incorperating Trance/Vocal/Hard, House, Hard House, Hard NRG, Prob ending with the harder Freefore/UK hardcore style..

i say thats a top idea... im all up for it!!!
hardcore is great and all but it would be great to have some alternative....
bring on the NRG/freeform!!!

QUOTE (DJ spunky bubbles @ Jul 14 2005, 01:18 PM)

QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 14 2005, 11:31 AM) I am talking about a different line up each night, incorperating Trance/Vocal/Hard, House, Hard House, Hard NRG, Prob ending with the harder Freefore/UK hardcore style.. i say thats a top idea... im all up for it!!! hardcore is great and all but it would be great to have some alternative.... bring on the NRG/freeform!!!

i loooove NRG

hey lots of people love the harder styles, they just don't go out and support weekly events.. IT HAS BEEN TRIED, TESTED, AND PROVEN!

Another night would be stupid and bound to fail.
The market is already overpopulated with hard dance nights as it is.

Hell, I want to put on another party but now is most definately the wrong time, there's shows on just about every friday night currently catering to the harder crowd and there's Earth and Black Cat on Saturday nights as well. Not to mention nights like frequency etc.

There's a few too many promoters all competing for the same crust atm imho.

If you're dead set keen on launching a new night I'd suggest waiting a while while the scene sorts itself out a bit.

QUOTE (SiGO @ Jul 14 2005, 12:11 PM)

QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 14 2005, 12:03 PM) QUOTE (SiGO @ Jul 14 2005, 11:57 AM) I think it would be an absolutely fucking stupid idea. No offence. But it has been proven time and time again a weekly hard dance night will not pull a regular crowd anymore. Everyone is entitled to there opinion John, but what about Rush...? That was around for a while and only politics caused it's demise.. Yeah way back in the days of Rush. How many failed clubs have come and gone since its demise? Old Lerox, New Lerox, Traffic, Soda room, Black Cat(in its former self), earth is the latest incarnation and is pretty dismal. All of these have played weekly Hard Dance at some stage.

I reckon SiGO summed it up nicely with his listings of clubs that have been and gone since Rush. One only needs to take a look at the precedents in the industry and determine that there is definitely a trend to the weekly hard dance events here in Adelaide.

I have been sitting back and watching promoters in adelaide come and go for the good part of 9 years, and seen regular club nights come and go, but i think something new run by new people would be the key to a small reg sat night for the harder stuff..

And i think location and atmosphere play a big part in it too..

This post has been edited by TheDrew on Jul 14 2005, 01:59 PM

QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 14 2005, 01:58 PM)

I have been sitting back and watching promoters in adelaide come and go for the good part of 9 years, and seen regular club nights come and go, but i think something new run by new people would be the key to a small reg sat night for the harder stuff.. And i think location and atmosphere play a big part in it too..

Seriously Drew

Do you really think that is the key to running a succesful weekly hard dance night?
If promoters who have been in the industry for years were doing succesful nights are not having any luck nowdays, then you think some new kid on the block has all the answers?

The man has spoken, if theres anyone who knows da score, its the one like Mr S

QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 14 2005, 01:58 PM)

I have been sitting back and watching promoters in adelaide come and go for the good part of 9 years, and seen regular club nights come and go, but i think something new run by new people would be the key to a small reg sat night for the harder stuff.. And i think location and atmosphere play a big part in it too..

don't you think that's what half of the other promoter's said when they opened their venues and ran their nights.

if you read the majority of posts in this thread its a pretty resounding no from most of the people on this board. No offence to the people that said yes but the one's that did haven't really had much experience when it comes to the behind the scenes work.

everyone here has offered their honest opinion and some the people that have are definetly people i would consider good people to take advice from.

QUOTE (Mr S @ Jul 14 2005, 02:02 PM)

QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 14 2005, 01:58 PM) I have been sitting back and watching promoters in adelaide come and go for the good part of 9 years, and seen regular club nights come and go, but i think something new run by new people would be the key to a small reg sat night for the harder stuff.. And i think location and atmosphere play a big part in it too.. Seriously Drew Do you really think that is the key to running a succesful weekly hard dance night? If promoters who have been in the industry for years were doing succesful nights are not having any luck nowdays, then you think some new kid on the block has all the answers?

Fair call jarrod, but i do not plan on doing it alone, i have a couple of friends helping me out at this stage..

not necessarily someone new on the block. but i think if all other places stop having hard dance nights, an you open a small place out somewhere in a good location in town (ie not hindley or rundle), something like pirie st, an with the right DJ's and marketing it just might survive. rush was a prime example of this. traffic was ok but the location wasnt good (nth terrace near heaven)

Eh im just givin my oppinion, im happy to go anywhere my favs Oddy an Mr S are spinning

This post has been edited by Betterman on Jul 14 2005, 02:12 PM

i agree and thats what the idea is..

Also i am not saying the promoters in the scene now are doing a bad job, because some are doing great things for the scene..

This post has been edited by TheDrew on Jul 14 2005, 02:13 PM

Think they should get rid of Friday nights @ earth (hard dance wise) and have it on Saturday night instead, LeRox had some pumpin nights @ Karma (Sat nights) 2 years ago....

QUOTE (Naked @ Jul 14 2005, 02:11 PM)

Think they should get rid of Friday nights @ earth (hard dance wise) and have it on Saturday night instead, LeRox had some pumpin nights @ Karma (Sat nights) 2 years ago....

Poll Added - have your say..

Yes but 2 years ago hard dance was still getting the support weekly.
This is 2005 and it ain't happening with weekly support now is it!

Many people have either moved on with their lives or go to other events or bars etc. The unfortunate thing also is the lack of new heads coming through the club scene due to the stauration of RnB/Commercial music that has brainwashed the youth of today.

Betterman, do you think that all other places will stop having hard dance nights just so one crew can do it? I don't think so!
Also , comparing Heaven to Traffic is crazy considering there is no hard dance at Heaven on Saturdays. No point comparing what was happening 2 years ago as things have changed dramatically since then.

Drew, it doesn't matter wether there's 2 or 10 guys helping you out, it's not as easy as you think. Not even free entry will get people out these days to a weekly event. Plus most peple don't want to pay for shit.. so how are clubs supposed to survive?

QUOTE (Mr S @ Jul 14 2005, 02:23 PM)

Yes but 2 years ago hard dance was still getting the support weekly. This is 2005 and it ain't happening with weekly support now is it! Many people have either moved on with their lives or go to other events or bars etc. The unfortunate thing also is the lack of new heads coming through the club scene due to the stauration of RnB/Commercial music that has brainwashed the youth of today. Betterman, do you think that all other places will stop having hard dance nights just so one crew can do it? I don't think so! Also , comparing Heaven to Traffic is crazy considering there is no hard dance at Heaven on Saturdays. No point comparing what was happening 2 years ago as things have changed dramatically since then. Drew, it doesn't matter wether there's 2 or 10 guys helping you out, it's not as easy as you think. Not even free entry will get people out these days to a weekly event. Plus most peple don't want to pay for shit.. so how are clubs supposed to survive?

You are right jarrod, and i know it won't be easy, but i just want somewhere fun and cruisy with a nice atmosphere to listen to music i love, in various forms, and hang out with friends that like to do the same..

And i hope it will give the scene a little boost..

This post has been edited by TheDrew on Jul 14 2005, 02:37 PM

All the best to ya, I know where i wont be!

QUOTE (SiGO @ Jul 14 2005, 02:39 PM)

All the best to ya, I know where i wont be!

Cheers Mate...

Have to regretfully agree with Mr.S on this one, the genre just does not enjoy enough regular support to run a weekly event that will pull substantial crowds or at least enough of a crowd to make it viable. I like the once a month nights that places like 199 and Tonic are running, with Antidote and BPM respectively I think thats a fair idea and something that could possibly work

if you promise me Bexta I'll do anything

QUOTE (techsta_girl @ Jul 16 2005, 10:30 AM)

if you promise me Bexta I'll do anything

The acts would be of high quality and a relaxed atmosphere, with a veriety of music, because too much of a good thing will get boring real quick...

Pratty has done very well with his nights, but i think a new night would be benificial to the scene, not competition, just a different night...

I enjoy good parties and see the scene on the way up with the right attitudes, we will see what happens though...

QUOTE (Noddy @ Jul 16 2005, 07:15 AM)

I keep seeing these comments about how the scene is getting older and other nonsense, but I was at Winter Enchanted last weekend and I know that there was a shitload of young ravers there, most of whom were going rather crazy to the hard dance being played. Dont waste your time promoting to the usual hard dance heads who's glory days are behind them or the jaded peeps on this board who cant get over Rush closing. There is a huge gang of fresh, young, enthusiastic ravers out there waiting for somebody to grab their attention and give them a weekly home! It can be hard work and stressful at times but it can also be a shitload of fun and very rewarding. Either way, there is only one way of finding out and thats by having a crack!

for the love of god

i believe at the start of this thread drew asked for everyone's opinions, everyone is simply giving them .. i never said i couldnt get over rush closing or that i missed it, just said that the scene seems to have died down alot since those days, and probably even more so the days before it. i still love going out as much as ever and am always supporting generic nights at earth / black cat / wherever... i believe in making your own fun and just cos a place isn't packed out doesn't mean you can't have a good time.

i agree with the people that said give earth a chance, i fucking love that place and reckon it has the potential to be an awesome venue.

we're all aware that you've been going out for a long time noddy and you know alot about the scene but we're all entitled to our opinions, and shouldn't all be labelled as "jaded ravers" just because we're giving them.

drew's a friend of mine and if he thinks its a good idea then do it! prove us all wrong mate your enthusiasm is admirable.

Why not grab a group of people and Go to Melbourne for a weekend to get your Hard Dance or Hard style Fix....

Work's for Me....

*Shuffle*

This post has been edited by ^NEMESIS^ on Jul 16 2005, 02:14 PM

QUOTE (Noddy @ Jul 16 2005, 08:59 AM)

QUOTE (Pratty @ Jul 16 2005, 09:29 AM) Personaly im being a tad cautious and protective over someone whos keen as mustard and is willing to throw big bucks at something that may leave him bust! Correct me if Im wrong, but he isnt he looking at starting a small to medium club night somewhere? Or is he actually keen to go the whole hog and actually open a new completely new venue?

Two answers for this. Drew was speaking to me the other night and he said that he had heaps of cash to do something and he had big acts i.e. he organised Alex Calver to play at Heaven the other night. So from this brief convo it seems he wouldnt be shy to spend up.

The other point Noddy is that even if it was a single night, yes it does sound cheap to do and can be if you know alot about networking and marketing and all the tricks but it can turn out to be a very costly excercise. Ummm for the launch night alone im sure you will back me on a mid way price of say..... $2500 which would include media campaigne and line up. So round figures on opening night 400 payers to break even and if you dont thats when the fun starts where every week you try to beat the system and chase the dollar!

Ok......

Let me ask....

Has there ever been a time in Adelaide's hard dance scene where there is so many different nights and different crews?

Antidote, System 6, Frequency, BPM, Earth (Fri & Sat), Black Cat (Sat), Chemistry, Titanium, MTME shows, some fri nites at Black Cat, Revolution.......

Now how many fucking shows are there? There's a multitude of different nights and that's why it's so bloody hard to get big numbers at a show.

Everybody can go on about the glory days or some shit but I bet there was a lot less shows than what's going on now. That's why there's less heads. Every 2nd punter is a dj nowadays too.

This post has been edited by Bongo on Jul 16 2005, 02:56 PM

Now ya testing my memory Bongo In the way of crews I can remember HMC, dirty house records was a club show that he would put in places and there may have been more but it was all about the booze and bitches back then for me so yeah not sure.

I will say however that the way i see it in the 'olden days' the emphasis was more on the DJ's im thinking. Advertise James Ingrim, Brendon, MR S, ATB, MC Tim, Josh and Madness to name a few and you would have a line up.

Havent seen a line up at a generic club night in town for years even with these guys and im pretty sure they are still some of the most tallented and technical DJ's in town.

Yes today there are alot of crews and quite a few of them include some of the guys above and still theres no line up and its not from lack of everyone working their arses off. Fuck ive never seen guys like you work as hard as you do and never end up with a result thats directly proportional.

I'm gonna take a slightly different angle here and I've said this before in other threads but my view on one of the reasons why there aren't as many ppl attending these nights as much these days is the mp3 / file sharing boom of the last few years. I remember when going out to a club / rave meant you were gonna hear these cutting edge tracks that you would only hear out. These days every 2nd person has 20,000+ Mp3's on their pcs (and their ipods) that they've obtained from the 14 year old geek down the street with the cable connection and a 500GB hard drive to store them all.

Remember hearing that big track kick in and the whole room erupting because it was the track you would only hear in that room every 7 days. These days, all music is accessible (legally and illegally) and i just don't think that going out to hear the latest tracks these days is quite so much of a thrill.

Just a couple of thoughts...

I LOVE hard dance. I recon it would be awesome to have a regular event.... My thoughts are tho DONT hold it every week or ull kill it off straight away.... Have it say once a month. With a set line up that everyone agrees would be rocking. Then maybe throw a few big names in every now and then...

The main idea i think im saying is YES DO IT... plz but not so often that no one will rock up... make it something special on twice in a blue moon sorta thing... so its not a rarity that no one will know about it and its not so often that ppl will get bored of it.... has to be special :P maybe even put some effort into making the place its in like different each time with like decorations n shit... so its like an interesting thing.... i know id help out to do something like that if it was needed.

I think Earth is a good venue but too big. traffic was good for this but at the moment theres nothing weekly thats good imo
lucky theres so many wicked events in adelaide

I think Mal (Fabric) and Matt/Jude (Dream Sequence) have a workable solution they put on shows every few months targeted at a particular style of music they like. It attracts fans of those dance styles. The shows are far enough apart to make it something to look forward too, especially when you don't get to hear much progressive/breaks and Techno in Adelaide.

yeah one problem is too many people want a piece of the pie.. too many new promoters/shows popped up in the last 2 years which has added to the problem

QUOTE (Mr S @ Jul 16 2005, 09:31 PM)

yeah one problem is too many people want a piece of the pie..

and the pie ain't that big!

Another thing I have noticed with hard dance as well, and hopefully nobody takes this as a diss because it isnt, but where is the DJ variety. Every hard dance night has basically Mr.S, Odyssey, H-Bomb and a few others. Obviously they all great DJs but can anyone seriously expect 4 nights per week with the same line-up to work.

But then who do you replace them with? All of the young DJs coming thru dont have a DJ brain between them. Sure they can mix but all they want to do is bang out the latest freeform, hard nrg, hardcore etc which basically clears most venues because that kind of music is only really suited to big events. Because everyone always talks about Rush, I'll use that as an example. It never really got hard until after 2am and that was on a Saturday night, plus there was always the option of dnb next door.

Maybe it has got the the stage where people need to realise that hard dance maybe isnt suited to clubs anymore. It still works well at the big parties and special events so maybe thats where it should stay?

QUOTE (Noddy @ Jul 16 2005, 10:35 PM)

Maybe it has got the the stage where people need to realise that hard dance maybe isnt suited to clubs anymore. It still works well at the big parties and special events so maybe thats where it should stay?

Give the man a soapbox!

Hearing 15000+ beats per minute when you're tryin to have a beer or a dozen, spin a yarn and have a perve is not my idea of a good soundtrack to a regular friday/sat night.
Although theres no reason that the last one or two sets of a night cant be some proper banging hard house.

QUOTE (Noddy @ Jul 16 2005, 10:35 PM)

Another thing I have noticed with hard dance as well, and hopefully nobody takes this as a diss because it isnt, but where is the DJ variety. Every hard dance night has basically Mr.S, Odyssey, H-Bomb and a few others. Obviously they all great DJs but can anyone seriously expect 4 nights per week with the same line-up to work. But then who do you replace them with? All of the young DJs coming thru dont have a DJ brain between them.

I've noticed the same thing.



Just out of interest, back in the 90's or whenever, were there nightclubs full 3 nights a week with the hard dance format? or are people living in a fantasy world?

This post has been edited by SUPERSHOOTER on Jul 16 2005, 10:49 PM

QUOTE (wojtek @ Jul 16 2005, 10:46 PM)

QUOTE (Noddy @ Jul 16 2005, 10:35 PM) Maybe it has got the the stage where people need to realise that hard dance maybe isnt suited to clubs anymore. It still works well at the big parties and special events so maybe thats where it should stay? Give the man a soapbox! Hearing 15000+ beats per minute when you're tryin to have a beer or a dozen, spin a yarn and have a perve is not my idea of a good soundtrack to a regular friday/sat night. Although theres no reason that the last one or two sets of a night cant be some proper banging hard house.

Completely agree with this too, I like hard dance a lot but if I want a fun night out it isn't what I want to hear and I reckon a lot of people are the same.

drink cards?

QUOTE (Noddy @ Jul 16 2005, 01:31 AM)

QUOTE (Twisten @ Jul 15 2005, 11:40 PM) ....and i remember heaps of generic nights at rush being packed as well ... I dont know why the Rush myth has spiralled so far out of control but in the 2 years it was running, we only came close to being full on 1, yep ONE generic night. Most weeks it was pretty damn quiet and a LOT more often than not it didnt come close to breaking even. I never released that sitting in a car all night, only coming inside for the last hour (once entry was free mind you) was what made a legendary club. As for hard house events being quiet, or not happening as often as they used, the blame for this falls 100% on the hard house crew, which includes a lot of the people who regularly post on this board. I wont be popular for saying this but how many of you simply assume these days that Oddy will give you a ticket? How much money do you think he has lost bringing over acts and then making sure the core crew get freebies, when these should be the people showing support for the music they suppoadly love, rather than expecting a free ride. On this note, big up to the captain for his generousity and committment to the music he loves. Do any of you ever give a thought to how these acts are actually getting here or how these parties are happening. You dont deserve hard dance parties and you dont deserve hard dance acts. There seems to be this fucked up attitude that because we went to Rush back in the day (thats a laugh in itself) that you no longer need to pay to go raving. I dont see anybody going up to their dealer and saying, hey, Ive been buying pills for a few years now, can I have em for free. A lot of people have treated the scene like shit and now theyre paying the price for it!

spot on, although some of us still do deserve our hard dance shows!! rush had the great shows at the time. most people who say "i remember rush back in day etc.." , weren't even 18 then!! i find it amusing.

QUOTE (missmullet01 @ Jul 17 2005, 01:32 PM)

most people who say "i remember rush back in day etc.." , weren't even 18 then!! i find it amusing.

That does explain why so many people spent every week there on the footpath or in the car park!

i think for the first time ever im in total agreeance with noddy, every thing that he's said is true in this thread ... if i were in your position drew id say go for it

QUOTE (missmullet01 @ Jul 17 2005, 12:32 PM)

spot on, although some of us still do deserve our hard dance shows!! rush had the great shows at the time. most people who say "i remember rush back in day etc.." , weren't even 18 then!! i find it amusing.

exactly, it was so easy to get into rush underage back in the day of relaxed ID checking

so it's no wonder there are kids on here that werent old enough to get into rush back in the day cos they were, as underagers

upstairs at earth has got it covered now the line up in there is looking solid

yeh but the place was way too big with one room , with two rooms its ridiculous .... why do it ?? id rather go to a smaller club with 200 odd people than a massive club 300 ppl

QUOTE (Noddy @ Jul 16 2005, 10:35 PM)

But then who do you replace them with? All of the young DJs coming thru dont have a DJ brain between them. Sure they can mix but all they want to do is bang out the latest freeform, hard nrg, hardcore etc which basically clears most venues because that kind of music is only really suited to big events.

If you had actually been out to a show in the last few months you would know that isn't entirely true.

I agree with you that there is an element with that, and with inexperience comes mistakes and learning - but to tar every young/up and coming DJ with the same brush is bullshit.

Get out a bit more old man

QUOTE (subbo @ Jul 17 2005, 04:30 PM)

yeh but the place was way too big with one room , with two rooms its ridiculous .... why do it ?? id rather go to a smaller club with 200 odd people than a massive club 300 ppl

Word Subbo. After all show me a club these days with a line up. Gees I know of a few clubs with a 400 capacity and cant even get a line up.

Hex in responce to suggesting Earth, Earth may have the night but the venue and so on has alot of issues to iron out if they want it to be a successful venue. It was the flavour of the month when first opened but due to probably some poor management, the size, location car parking and so on it is soon becoming what alot of people forecasted. That being a great venue for shows but as a week to week club it is really suffering.

There are at least 4 24 hour car parks less than 5 minutes from earth and one across the road

QUOTE (muffins @ Jul 17 2005, 07:27 PM)

There are at least 4 24 hour car parks less than 5 minutes from earth and one across the road

Hahahahaha you crack me up Muffo's. Theyre paid parking you goose. What world are you living in bwahgahahahahahahaha

Yes there is Tim but park there for more than 4 hours and your paying a fucking load which is bollocks!

I was there for 2.5 hrs last night and I had to pay nearly $12.00!

FUCK THAT SHIT!

Don't any of you crazy ravers have JOBS?

QUOTE (Mr S @ Jul 17 2005, 07:32 PM)

Yes there is Tim but park there for more than 4 hours and your paying a fucking load which is bollocks! I was there for 2.5 hrs last night and I had to pay nearly $12.00! FUCK THAT SHIT!

So does that mean mate that if i give you free parking when you play for me i can take say $6 bux off your invoice. Carn im going ya halves

QUOTE (Mr S @ Jul 17 2005, 07:32 PM)

Yes there is Tim but park there for more than 4 hours and your paying a fucking load which is bollocks! I was there for 2.5 hrs last night and I had to pay nearly $12.00! FUCK THAT SHIT!

I got to earth last night a little after one, left after it closed a bit after 6am, cost me $17.90.

Not at all impressed. It would have been cheaper for me to get a taxi.

Park on top of the Hungry Jacks Rundle St. If you get there after 9pm it's capped at $2.70 ALL NIGHT.

QUOTE (~:Betty:~ @ Jul 17 2005, 07:41 PM)

QUOTE (Mr S @ Jul 17 2005, 07:32 PM) Yes there is Tim but park there for more than 4 hours and your paying a fucking load which is bollocks! I was there for 2.5 hrs last night and I had to pay nearly $12.00! FUCK THAT SHIT! I got to earth last night a little after one, left after it closed a bit after 6am, cost me $17.90. Not at all impressed. It would have been cheaper for me to get a taxi.

Yeah that does suck balls. Be nice when the pay rates and so on go up so that Adelaide workers can earn what they should according to the cost of living.

This is one of my other points of why the Adelaide scene is so hard. The government is fucked. Go to Melbourne or Perth or where ever and see how much the government gets behind those states in regards to perfoming arts, hospitality and so on. Gees theyve even got major highways been built out the middle of know where cos they know in 10 years they will be heavily populated. Has anyone noticed that Adelaide has come to a huge stand still over the past 10 years?????

Great retirement village though.

QUOTE (Raver1 @ Jul 17 2005, 07:43 PM)

Park on top of the Hungry Jacks Rundle St. If you get there after 9pm it's capped at $2.70 ALL NIGHT.

yeah thats a goer

a night in town wouldnt be the same without that 10 min walk up and down rundle mall.

decepticon... what does happen if you drink 7 redbulls in 4 hours?

QUOTE (Pratty @ Jul 17 2005, 07:36 PM)

QUOTE (Mr S @ Jul 17 2005, 07:32 PM) Yes there is Tim but park there for more than 4 hours and your paying a fucking load which is bollocks! I was there for 2.5 hrs last night and I had to pay nearly $12.00! FUCK THAT SHIT! So does that mean mate that if i give you free parking when you play for me i can take say $6 bux off your invoice. Carn im going ya halves

Now you mention it Pratty, I left Mojo's and walked around the corner to my car and an inspector just slapped a $48 parking fine on my car just after the permit bullshit had started.. so yeah parking cost me $60 last night.. very fucking impressed with that.. NOT!

If I drink one sugarfree V I sometimes get some weird shakey feeling when the caffiene is wearing off...
I'd HATE to feel it after having 7 full sugared redbulls. Eeeep!



I generally park in the rise carpark if I am going to Earth or Mojos, but recently got a whopper fine slapped on my car because the $3 I put in the meter didn't cover it more than about 3 hours. Yeah that hurt! I generally try to park down sidestreets now.

This post has been edited by LightningChyld on Jul 17 2005, 08:03 PM

QUOTE (Raver1 @ Jul 17 2005, 07:43 PM)

Park on top of the Hungry Jacks Rundle St. If you get there after 9pm it's capped at $2.70 ALL NIGHT.

Would've been nice if I'd known that about this time yesterday Ray!

Had never thought to park anywhere else but the one accross the road from earth... I was expecting about $8 - $10, but didn't even think to actually LOOK at the rates board when I went in there. But, definately won't be parking in there again.

QUOTE (Mr S @ Jul 17 2005, 08:00 PM)

QUOTE (Pratty @ Jul 17 2005, 07:36 PM) QUOTE (Mr S @ Jul 17 2005, 07:32 PM) Yes there is Tim but park there for more than 4 hours and your paying a fucking load which is bollocks! I was there for 2.5 hrs last night and I had to pay nearly $12.00! FUCK THAT SHIT! So does that mean mate that if i give you free parking when you play for me i can take say $6 bux off your invoice. Carn im going ya halves Now you mention it Pratty, I left Mojo's and walked around the corner to my car and an inspector just slapped a $48 parking fine on my car just after the permit bullshit had started.. so yeah parking cost me $60 last night.. very fucking impressed with that.. NOT!

*editted post cos it was a pretty lame comment and made me sound like shooter*

That sux arse. Parking in town is fucked.

This post has been edited by Pratty on Jul 17 2005, 08:08 PM

what does parking have to do with hard dance.. apart from being "hard2park"

QUOTE (Raver1 @ Jul 17 2005, 07:43 PM)

Park on top of the Hungry Jacks Rundle St. If you get there after 9pm it's capped at $2.70 ALL NIGHT.

That car park shuts at 5am or 6am on Sunday morning I'm usually spent by then. But if you don't get it out before then you have to wait until 10am or pay a late fee to get it out.

But I think it's open all night Friday.

Yeah I park there all the time only a short walk to Earth.

QUOTE (808 @ Jul 17 2005, 08:15 PM)

what does parking have to do with hard dance.. apart from being "hard2park"

Hex mentioned that there already is a hard dance night and mentioned Earth. Scroll down and catch up will ya!

Maybe if we were all still 'back in the day' when the scene was at it's greatest and the drugs were awesome and everyone was great compared to now...we could still have car park raves and no one would have this problem...

QUOTE (incognito @ Jul 17 2005, 07:58 PM)

decepticon... what does happen if you drink 7 redbulls in 4 hours?

That to me sounds like a challenge for next weekend.

2 X Jager bombs per red bull = 14 Jager Bombs in 4 hours

Actually make it the following weekend, payday

This hole not enough people out no line up thing that has slowly started happening over the last however long is all to do with $$$$ and lack of.

I'd love to go out Friday and Sat night have a massive one but I'd end up spending well over $250 and right there lays the problem.

You go in and have 10 beers (earth on stubs of pale no tap) or 10 spirits and $55-$60 is already gone, but thats only just got the night started.
I'd down a far few more than that over 6-8 hours.
Then theres Taxi in and out plus a yiros to go.

All the crew that should be out partying have been rushed into buying houses when they can't really afford to and all that jazz. Leaving them with no money for weekend run a muck time.

To be honest I can really only afford one decent night a fortnight, sometimes go out twice in that time but the second night out attempt is far from what I like to call partying hard.

The increase in drink prices brought on by government, GST or what ever kills alot of us in the pocket when it comes to hitting every weekend hard.

Schooner in 1998 = $2.00
Schooner in 2005 = $3.70? haven't drunk them for a while
Thats more than 20c a year bigger increase than petrol, dirty fuckers we all only want to get pissed.

Sorry to whinge, just my 2c

yeah it's the Governments fault

FUCK PARLIAMENT!

QUOTE (Mr S @ Jul 17 2005, 08:43 PM)

yeah it's the Governments fault FUCK PARLIAMENT!

you cant fuck parliment, there to busy fucking you...

Yeah, it's the governments fault.

Though for the downfall of hard dance I blame George Bush.

i think a regualr hard dance night will work if its done right. take this 4 an example, black cat was decently busy friday night, wandered over 2 tonic 4 BPM (nice hard dance line up, ready 2 pump 1 out) and me and decepticon were 2 of only very few ppl there, and tonic is a nice venue with a nice PA. yeah we were there fairly early but still, it was quiet as. i dunno whats goin on with ppl hey, why arent ppl prepared 2 pay 4 the scene they supposedly love. maybe its because of winter, who knows, but it seems everywhere isnt even close 2 busy. something has 2 be done, b4 the scene in this town dies in the ass.

ONE regular hard dance night on a Friday (IMO) per week, promoted properly (i.e $$ spent on advertising etc), with a mixture of newer DJ's and established ones playing longer sets, in a venue <400 with reasonable drink specials early could (I say could because at the end of the day what the fuck do I know?) work.

Too many fingers in a party pie.

(like my pun? A party pie is small, and we're talking about parties. Ahhhh, good times)

Further to this while i'm thinking about it...

Just as a suggestion, again with the disclaimer that I really don't know much and am just thinking out loud:

Perhaps the 'Big 2' clubs that are battling it out as far as hard dance on Friday nights goes, work together to do a rotation? One Friday it is at Club A, and the next it as at Club B. On their weeks off they could then do an RnB night, or whatever the fuck they want to do to rake in the $$.

So instead of having 2 clubs splitting the numbers every week and struggling (and aside from the financial burden on the club owners, it's fucking up a dance scene), you're guaruntee'd the whole crew there for each night you have on, and on the off week can make more beans with a different money grabbing non dance night.

And if the attitude is "Well Club A is fucking this and that, and Club B owner is a fuckwit ego ego ego ego ego bullshit" then we might as well give up now.

Thoughts anyone? Like I said, just thinking as I type here, so feel free to shoot me down with some logic.

This post has been edited by JamesM on Jul 17 2005, 09:04 PM

QUOTE (JamesM @ Jul 17 2005, 08:58 PM)

ONE regular hard dance night on a Friday (IMO) per week, promoted properly (i.e $$ spent on advertising etc), with a mixture of newer DJ's and established ones playing longer sets, in a venue <400 with reasonable drink specials early could (I say could because at the end of the day what the fuck do I know?) work. Too many fingers in a party pie. (like my pun? A party pie is small, and we're talking about parties. Ahhhh, good times)

ONE night a week is good in theory, but who is going to give up running what they run now?



Fucking good joke btw!

See my edit...

Hey, I know i'd want to give up struggling every week to cover my fucking costs and make some more dough!

But that's just me.

This post has been edited by JamesM on Jul 17 2005, 09:06 PM

QUOTE (JamesM @ Jul 17 2005, 08:58 PM)

ONE regular hard dance night on a Friday (IMO) per week, promoted properly (i.e $$ spent on advertising etc), with a mixture of newer DJ's and established ones playing longer sets, in a venue <400 with reasonable drink specials early could (I say could because at the end of the day what the fuck do I know?) work. Too many fingers in a party pie.

I agree. If we had one a weekend then everyone wouldn't be like"I don't know where to go" or "I went out last night" etc etc...

That way, everyone would go to the one venue, place would be reasonably full, and it'd be a good night.

But, as we all know, that aint ever gonna happen!

But James, you hit the nail on the head. Too many fingers in party pie.

Seems these days, everyones a promoter. Its not a bad thing really, its great that heaps of ppl are wanting to put on parties. But it kinda sux when there is nothing on for a few weeks and then all of a sudden we have 3 parties in a weekend. Stoopid really. Promoters - Your just shooting yourself in the foot!!

But, meh, I wouldn't be able to do any better, so carry on.

.....in an ideal world, promoters/owners would get 2gether and sort something out, 4 the public. BUT they have a business 2 run. its their job 2 bring the ppl what they wanted, now if the pppl could decide what they wanted itd make things easyer 4 sure. i like your idea james, some up and comers playing sets in peak times would be great 4 the scene imo, afterall the big name established djs, although i hate 2 say it, noo matter how good they are, wont be DJing forever. i have the upmost respect 4 those guys, dont get me wrong, but new faces are the future of hard dance in adelaide. there are so many talented dj's out there not getting sets, its almost criminal.

QUOTE (JamesM @ Jul 17 2005, 08:58 PM)

Too many fingers in a party pie.

How many fingers could you fit into a small pie?

Any more than 2 and I wouldn't be wanting to eat it





This post has been edited by Raver1 on Jul 17 2005, 09:15 PM

QUOTE (B-RAD @ Jul 17 2005, 09:12 PM)

.....in an ideal world, promoters/owners would get 2gether and sort something out, 4 the public. BUT they have a business 2 run.

My point being that what is taking place now and has been taking place recently have obviously been poor business decisions..clubs closing down, and fuck all numbers out every week.

On top of that, the Hard Dance crowd don't pull in much margin over the bar because they don't spend as much.

Now if the owners of club a and club b want to come on here and say "we don't need to do shit because we're blingin'" then i'll eat my words.

But 2 recent clubs closing (i.e Soda and Traffic) kinda tells me that it's about time that some smarter business moves should be made.

*shrug*

It's not my fucking money, but it really, really, REALLY upsets me that I don't get decent Hard Dance on a weekly basis with a good crowd/party vibe.

I'm just asking the people who need to, to think about it.

/end rant.

QUOTE (JamesM @ Jul 17 2005, 09:17 PM)

It's not my fucking money, but it really, really, REALLY upsets me that I don't get decent Hard Dance on a weekly basis with a good crowd/party vibe.

agreed. there is NOTHING WORSE than wicked music, great venue, and it being dead fucking quiet. its such a waste.....

QUOTE (JamesM @ Jul 17 2005, 08:58 PM)

Perhaps the 'Big 2' clubs that are battling it out as far as hard dance on Friday nights goes, work together to do a rotation? One Friday it is at Club A, and the next it as at Club B. On their weeks off they could then do an RnB night, or whatever the fuck they want to do to rake in the $$. So instead of having 2 clubs splitting the numbers every week and struggling (and aside from the financial burden on the club owners, it's fucking up a dance scene), you're guaruntee'd the whole crew there for each night you have on, and on the off week can make more beans with a different money grabbing non dance night.

I think that's a very good idea, I doubt you'd see it in effect though as I don't reckon the 2 clubs would work together in that fashion unfortunately.

QUOTE (JamesM @ Jul 17 2005, 08:58 PM)

ONE regular hard dance night on a Friday (IMO) per week, promoted properly (i.e $$ spent on advertising etc), with a mixture of newer DJ's and established ones playing longer sets, in a venue <400 with reasonable drink specials early could (I say could because at the end of the day what the fuck do I know?) work. Too many fingers in a party pie. (like my pun? A party pie is small, and we're talking about parties. Ahhhh, good times) Further to this while i'm thinking about it... Just as a suggestion, again with the disclaimer that I really don't know much and am just thinking out loud: Perhaps the 'Big 2' clubs that are battling it out as far as hard dance on Friday nights goes, work together to do a rotation? One Friday it is at Club A, and the next it as at Club B. On their weeks off they could then do an RnB night, or whatever the fuck they want to do to rake in the $$. So instead of having 2 clubs splitting the numbers every week and struggling (and aside from the financial burden on the club owners, it's fucking up a dance scene), you're guaruntee'd the whole crew there for each night you have on, and on the off week can make more beans with a different money grabbing non dance night. And if the attitude is "Well Club A is fucking this and that, and Club B owner is a fuckwit ego ego ego ego ego bullshit" then we might as well give up now. Thoughts anyone? Like I said, just thinking as I type here, so feel free to shoot me down with some logic.

excellent post squire

Well said James, well said. With you on that 100%

i think one of the important things in putting together a good hard dance venue is staying true to the theme... so then it attracts the right people. one of the things that has been a killer for the rave scene in recent times is hip hop and rnb.. not so much the music (each to their own) but venues accommodating the hip hop/rnb scene one night then dance the next. you get a whole lot of young rnb try-hards drifting into our party, getting pissed and ruining the atmosphere.

problem in a nut shell is that there's to much money in hiphop/rnb and venues know it..

places like sydney and melbourne have room for both.. sux.. come on adelaide! it's up to the property developers as much as the organizers.

(i think anyway)

Drew: Do you're best mate, cos thats the best you can do. Good luck with it

QUOTE (Quazza @ Jul 17 2005, 09:34 PM)

QUOTE (JamesM @ Jul 17 2005, 08:58 PM) ONE regular hard dance night on a Friday (IMO) per week, promoted properly (i.e $$ spent on advertising etc), with a mixture of newer DJ's and established ones playing longer sets, in a venue <400 with reasonable drink specials early could (I say could because at the end of the day what the fuck do I know?) work. Too many fingers in a party pie. (like my pun? A party pie is small, and we're talking about parties. Ahhhh, good times) Further to this while i'm thinking about it... Just as a suggestion, again with the disclaimer that I really don't know much and am just thinking out loud: Perhaps the 'Big 2' clubs that are battling it out as far as hard dance on Friday nights goes, work together to do a rotation? One Friday it is at Club A, and the next it as at Club B. On their weeks off they could then do an RnB night, or whatever the fuck they want to do to rake in the $$. So instead of having 2 clubs splitting the numbers every week and struggling (and aside from the financial burden on the club owners, it's fucking up a dance scene), you're guaruntee'd the whole crew there for each night you have on, and on the off week can make more beans with a different money grabbing non dance night. And if the attitude is "Well Club A is fucking this and that, and Club B owner is a fuckwit ego ego ego ego ego bullshit" then we might as well give up now. Thoughts anyone? Like I said, just thinking as I type here, so feel free to shoot me down with some logic. excellent post squire

Your right with alot of things James. As you know we ran Sound at Soda for sometime and when 'club b' Opened as we all know pretty much my exact line up was then booked there on the same night. I aint stupid and am fully aware of how many crew go out weekly to Hard House and I wasnt preppared to compete for the 100 or so people that 'club B' wanted to steal from me. Yes I knew all the crew would be back cos 'club b' was just the flavour of the month and would suffer in the long term as a week to week club but in the mean time why bother competing so DnB it was.

And to pick up on someone elses point about only having the funds to come out once or twice a month, I also accepted this sometime ago when I started my rotating crews back at Soda Room on Fridays which proved to be a huge success hence why every one is on the fucking band wagon now!!!!!!

and yes Soda did close but not by any fault of the promotions and the way it was run. Enough said on that cos its pretty obvious in that department after Black Cat and Mojo's on the weekend

A hard dance componant on Saturdays....may already have it ready to go but I aint saying nothing cos 'they' are watching!!!!!!!!!

QUOTE (Pratty @ Jul 17 2005, 11:41 PM)

but I aint saying nothing cos 'they' are watching!!!!!!!!!

I'm just going to be rude, who are 'they'?

QUOTE (SUPERSHOOTER @ Jul 17 2005, 11:53 PM)

QUOTE (Pratty @ Jul 17 2005, 11:41 PM) but I aint saying nothing cos 'they' are watching!!!!!!!!!  I'm just going to be rude, who are 'they'?

You know...'they', the spies... I cant say or 'they' will know that I'm on to them.....

QUOTE (Pratty @ Jul 18 2005, 12:01 AM)

QUOTE (SUPERSHOOTER @ Jul 17 2005, 11:53 PM) QUOTE (Pratty @ Jul 17 2005, 11:41 PM) but I aint saying nothing cos 'they' are watching!!!!!!!!!  I'm just going to be rude, who are 'they'? You know...'they', the spies... I cant say or 'they' will know that I'm on to them.....

Damn Tax Department

Does anyone think the music may have something to do with the decline of the hard dance scene?

5 years ago when the scene was peaking it was all about hard house. This was music that was hard enough for the ravers, but it still had a clubby element to it and could be enjoyed by a more generic clubbing crowd. As a result, nights like Chemistry, Rush, System 6 etc were massive because the music being played had quite a wide appeal.

As it got harder though numbers started to drop off, and now its at the point where a hard dance night which once had a massive crossover appeal now is aimed pretty much directly at a much smaller, core crew of people. There doesnt seem to be too many DJs in the scene these days who are willing to play cheesier, less credible music in order to appeal to a bigger market. It seems to have gone down the path dnb did 5 years ago where DJs were more interested in what the outspoken, trainspotter types were thinking, rather than the people who really count - the kids on the dancefloor.

Probably the biggest hard house set of recent times, in terms of crowd reaction, would probably have to be Bunter at Enchanted last year. It may have been old tunes, cheesy as fuck and even commercial in places, but fuck me it got a LOT of people dancing and had that entire arena going off the hook. But I cant remember hearing any locals playing a similar style to that any time recently. Maybe there are DJs doing this but I cant say Ive heard any at places Ive been going.

I think the hard dance needs a club that drops its standards a little, and concentrates on playing more obvious music where every track is a well known hit. Sure, the Bongo types wont like it, but I can assure you had a 100 ravers, 90 of them wouldnt know what half the tunes were called, and would rather hear an anthem they knew over the latest, technically brilliant release from Mr producer of the moment.

One example? At Chemistry (when still in the main room) a DJ could be playing some wicked new hard dance but the floor would be completely empty. As soon as a tune like Cheap Rent was dropped half the crowd would instantly hit the floor.

I think the scene needs to take a step backwards, before it can start moving forward again.

QUOTE (Pratty @ Jul 18 2005, 12:41 AM)

And to pick up on someone elses point about only having the funds to come out once or twice a month, I also accepted this sometime ago when I started my rotating crews back at Soda Room on Fridays which proved to be a huge success hence why every one is on the fucking band wagon now!!!!!!

The rotating thing has been going on at clubs lot longer than that mate. Hell I was doing it at Rush 5 years ago and I was hardly the first to come up with it.

Just a tad rich calling others bandwagon jumpers dont you think?

QUOTE (Noddy @ Jul 18 2005, 12:08 AM)

QUOTE (Pratty @ Jul 18 2005, 12:41 AM) And to pick up on someone elses point about only having the funds to come out once or twice a month, I also accepted this sometime ago when I started my rotating crews back at Soda Room on Fridays which proved to be a huge success hence why every one is on the fucking band wagon now!!!!!! The rotating thing has been going on at clubs lot longer than that mate. Hell I was doing it at Rush 5 years ago and I was hardly the first to come up with it. Just a tad rich calling others bandwagon jumpers dont you think?

Yeah I realise that I wasnt the one to start it but from what I can see I was the one to put a promotion within a promotion and use crews as the rotation rather than just the format change!

Further more I havent seen this idea used anywhere for a while prior to me jumping on it mid last year. It was just reinventing the wheel but doing it differently.

And I totally agree with your post before. Make it more fun people! Look at Blakes cheesey sets and bootlegs..massive. Look at Quazzas old school RnB/ Hip Hop cheesey sets. People forget about whos watching and what style of music is cool and just have fun!

QUOTE (LovelyDrift @ Jul 17 2005, 10:16 PM)

Drew: Do you're best mate, cos thats the best you can do. Good luck with it

Thanks mate, i will give it a try..

Also you have made some very good points James, and i agree with you, the promoters in adelaide should work together rather than against each other, i would rather make enough money and have a really good night with a good vibe, than make heaps of money and not have that vibe, and also if we work together then we are not aiming for the same crowd on the same nights.

But is still early days, i have yet to confirm a venue, and there is still a few people i would like to consult...

This post has been edited by TheDrew on Jul 18 2005, 09:47 AM

QUOTE (Pratty @ Jul 18 2005, 12:17 AM)

And I totally agree with your post before. Make it more fun people! Look at Blakes cheesey sets and bootlegs..massive. Look at Quazzas old school RnB/ Hip Hop cheesey sets. People forget about whos watching and what style of music is cool and just have fun!

We need more nights like last thursday at Mojos

QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 18 2005, 09:36 AM)

the promoters in adelaide should work together rather than against each other

people have been saying this for years but it just won't happen on a broad scale

QUOTE (Mr S @ Jul 18 2005, 09:57 AM)

QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 18 2005, 09:36 AM) the promoters in adelaide should work together rather than against each other people have been saying this for years but it just won't happen on a broad scale

I agree Jarrod, but hopefully there can be a little co-operation..

QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 18 2005, 09:59 AM)

QUOTE (Mr S @ Jul 18 2005, 09:57 AM) QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 18 2005, 09:36 AM) the promoters in adelaide should work together rather than against each other people have been saying this for years but it just won't happen on a broad scale I agree Jarrod, but hopefully there can be a little co-operation..

hope all you like Drew but I'm telling you it ain't happening!

QUOTE (muffins @ Jul 15 2005, 07:36 PM)

[QUOTE=Pratty,Jul 15 2005, 07:19 PM] Try this. Have a think of how many people you know or know of that have moved into state. Then ask yourself when was the last time you met someone who has moved here from another state to live.

I just came back from sydney and am now completely obsessed with moving there. The club scene in sydney is amazing. The venues are great, the crowd is good, everyone seems to share the same vibe, and the music is awesome.

I would love to find a good club here in adelaide that plays good house music, has a good vibe and a decent crowd!!

As i said to you yesterday Drew..... if you do have your heart set on this then....
..maybe aim for a once off trial night at a small venue....then your not locking yourself into any commitment
... maybe an all ages.... coz from what many people have posted there is a lull in the scene at the moment.... and despite the opinion that all underagers are trouble and dickheads.... there are many who are keen and wanting more chances to get out there and be part of it all.... i spoke to many of the youngins at Kryptonite (ones not wanting to bust a cap in ma ass) and the comments we were getting was that there aren't enough opertunities for them around... eg st pauls and other venues all being licensed events...that leaves them with WE, KRYPTONITE, SE....NOTORIOUS.....
Despite what people say they are the future scene.....

ummm //end rant//

QUOTE (jodiejai @ Jul 18 2005, 11:26 AM)

[QUOTE=muffins,Jul 15 2005, 07:36 PM] [QUOTE=Pratty,Jul 15 2005, 07:19 PM] Try this. Have a think of how many people you know or know of that have moved into state. Then ask yourself when was the last time you met someone who has moved here from another state to live. [/QUOTE] I just came back from sydney and am now completely obsessed with moving there. The club scene in sydney is amazing. The venues are great, the crowd is good, everyone seems to share the same vibe, and the music is awesome.

Wow, when I came back from Sydney last year the first thing I said to myself was ..."Thank god I don't live there."

Sure the club scene was great, but Sydney itself is a dirty hole full of arrogant people who don't speak English. Everyone is in too much of a hurry to get through life. Perhaps I need to go back sometime and give it another go.

I've been to every state but Perth, and so far the only city that has captured me and given me serious thoughts about wanting to one day live there is Brisbane.

QUOTE (Noddy @ Jul 16 2005, 07:15 AM)

I keep seeing these comments about how the scene is getting older and other nonsense, but I was at Winter Enchanted last weekend and I know that there was a shitload of young ravers there, most of whom were going rather crazy to the hard dance being played. Dont waste your time promoting to the usual hard dance heads who's glory days are behind them or the jaded peeps on this board who cant get over Rush closing. There is a huge gang of fresh, young, enthusiastic ravers out there waiting for somebody to grab their attention and give them a weekly home! It can be hard work and stressful at times but it can also be a shitload of fun and very rewarding. Either way, there is only one way of finding out and thats by having a crack!

QUOTE (*miss spanky* @ Jul 18 2005, 11:41 AM)

As i said to you yesterday Drew..... if you do have your heart set on this then.... ..maybe aim for a once off trial night at a small venue....then your not locking yourself into any commitment ... maybe an all ages.... coz from what many people have posted there is a lull in the scene at the moment.... and despite the opinion that all underagers are trouble and dickheads.... there are many who are keen and wanting more chances to get out there and be part of it all.... i spoke to many of the youngins at Kryptonite (ones not wanting to bust a cap in ma ass) and the comments we were getting was that there aren't enough opertunities for them around... eg st pauls and other venues all being licensed events...that leaves them with WE, KRYPTONITE, SE....NOTORIOUS..... Despite what people say they are the future scene..... ummm //end rant//

I will prob go for a smallish venue, but it will be liscenced so underage will be out of the question...

QUOTE (Idicus Ulthwe' @ Jul 18 2005, 12:14 PM)

QUOTE (Noddy @ Jul 16 2005, 07:15 AM) I keep seeing these comments about how the scene is getting older and other nonsense, but I was at Winter Enchanted last weekend and I know that there was a shitload of young ravers there, most of whom were going rather crazy to the hard dance being played. Dont waste your time promoting to the usual hard dance heads who's glory days are behind them or the jaded peeps on this board who cant get over Rush closing. There is a huge gang of fresh, young, enthusiastic ravers out there waiting for somebody to grab their attention and give them a weekly home! It can be hard work and stressful at times but it can also be a shitload of fun and very rewarding. Either way, there is only one way of finding out and thats by having a crack!

fuckin werd up to that Noddy!!

QUOTE (slide @ Jul 18 2005, 01:06 PM)

QUOTE (Idicus Ulthwe' @ Jul 18 2005, 12:14 PM) QUOTE (Noddy @ Jul 16 2005, 07:15 AM) I keep seeing these comments about how the scene is getting older and other nonsense, but I was at Winter Enchanted last weekend and I know that there was a shitload of young ravers there, most of whom were going rather crazy to the hard dance being played. Dont waste your time promoting to the usual hard dance heads who's glory days are behind them or the jaded peeps on this board who cant get over Rush closing. There is a huge gang of fresh, young, enthusiastic ravers out there waiting for somebody to grab their attention and give them a weekly home! It can be hard work and stressful at times but it can also be a shitload of fun and very rewarding. Either way, there is only one way of finding out and thats by having a crack! fuckin werd up to that Noddy!!

Yes - a lot of youngsters out there at WE that were going hard to the harder stuff - new stuff too. However, most prolly under 18 and therefore, a weekly hard dance night... not gonna work unless it's all ages. Can a venue be found for underagers..?

QUOTE (Noddy @ Jul 18 2005, 12:05 AM)

Does anyone think the music may have something to do with Probably the biggest hard house set of recent times, in terms of crowd reaction, would probably have to be Bunter at Enchanted last year. It may have been old tunes, cheesy as fuck and even commercial in places, but fuck me it got a LOT of people dancing and had that entire arena going off the hook. But I cant remember hearing any locals playing a similar style to that any time recently. Maybe there are DJs doing this but I cant say Ive heard any at places Ive been going. I think the hard dance needs a club that drops its standards a little, and concentrates on playing more obvious music where every track is a well known hit. Sure, the Bongo types wont like it, but I can assure you had a 100 ravers, 90 of them wouldnt know what half the tunes were called, and would rather hear an anthem they knew over the latest, technically brilliant release from Mr producer of the moment.

maybe you should actually go to hard dance clubs then ... ive been playing cheesy vocally shit like that for quite a while now , and when i started playing stuff like that guess who was first in line to give me shit??? you and a few other dj's .... now your defending the style cos you seen it work???


most the time this style does work, the one question i keep asking tho is how do we make new classics if all we play are tunes that are 4/5 years old

QUOTE (subbo @ Jul 18 2005, 02:42 PM)

QUOTE (Noddy @ Jul 18 2005, 12:05 AM) Does anyone think the music may have something to do with Probably the biggest hard house set of recent times, in terms of crowd reaction, would probably have to be Bunter at Enchanted last year. It may have been old tunes, cheesy as fuck and even commercial in places, but fuck me it got a LOT of people dancing and had that entire arena going off the hook. But I cant remember hearing any locals playing a similar style to that any time recently. Maybe there are DJs doing this but I cant say Ive heard any at places Ive been going. I think the hard dance needs a club that drops its standards a little, and concentrates on playing more obvious music where every track is a well known hit. Sure, the Bongo types wont like it, but I can assure you had a 100 ravers, 90 of them wouldnt know what half the tunes were called, and would rather hear an anthem they knew over the latest, technically brilliant release from Mr producer of the moment. maybe you should actually go to hard dance clubs then ... ive been playing cheesy vocally shit like that for quite a while now , and when i started playing stuff like that guess who was first in line to give me shit??? you and a few other dj's .... now your defending the style cos you seen it work??? most the time this style does work, the one question i keep asking tho is how do we make new classics if all we play are tunes that are 4/5 years old

I think good remixes with well known samples would be popular in the harder scene, but i am no producer..

And also times change and what people want to listen to has changed..


This post has been edited by TheDrew on Jul 18 2005, 02:49 PM

they are popular , theres a shitload of bootlegs of old tunes comin out at the moment... still we need some amount of origanality aswell

QUOTE (subbo @ Jul 18 2005, 02:54 PM)

they are popular , theres a shitload of bootlegs of old tunes comin out at the moment... still we need some amount of origanality aswell

Agreed. There is a lack of initiative and originality in general. Plus there's too many remixes of 2005 remixes of 2003 remixes of 2000 remixes going on.

It's almost like everyone has run out of ideas..
I also think another problem is that the same old stalwarts of hard dance production side of things seem to have monopoly, and I really think the new blood coming through need to be looked at more, as they are the future of where dance music is being directed.

Just from having the Volatile NRG release out, has caused plenty of discussion on message boards in the UK (all positive), because it sounds fresh and is not the formulated sounds of today. One guy said about the whole release.. "it's like a breath of fresh air".. AND IT IS!! The fun MUST be put back into the music which means slowing down the bpms and have elements of funk, chunk, and vocal hooks (just like the original hard house sound).

I do know a few guys in the UK are making warmup hard house tunes with the classic sound and at around 140-145bpm. Going backwards in this instance is not a bad thing but there's more elements in this style of hard house than there is with a bunch of organised noise getting cained at 11pm to an empty dancefloor

QUOTE (subbo @ Jul 18 2005, 02:54 PM)

they are popular , theres a shitload of bootlegs of old tunes comin out at the moment... still we need some amount of origanality aswell

QUOTE (Mr S @ Jul 18 2005, 03:21 PM)

The fun MUST be put back into the music which means slowing down the bpms and have elements of funk, chunk, and vocal hooks (just like the original hard house sound).

i agree on both accounts..

This post has been edited by TheDrew on Jul 18 2005, 03:35 PM

QUOTE (Odyssey @ Jul 18 2005, 01:55 AM)

Pratty: Rotating promoters and nights have been going on for ages .. so get off ya little soapbox Plur n shit .. its nice to be back

Yes Im aware of that if you read my post after Noddy and I debated it for sometime and I agreed. So rather than pick up on an already proven point how bout ya look at my point of how its very interesting that several clubs are now doing it at the same time.

*walks down off 'little soap box'*

QUOTE (Pratty @ Jul 18 2005, 04:54 PM)

Yes Im aware of that if you read my post after Noddy and I debated it for sometime and I agreed. So rather than pick up on an already proven point how bout ya look at my point of how its very interesting that several clubs are now doing it at the same time. *walks down off 'little soap box'*

so they aren't copying you anymore ?

QUOTE (Odyssey @ Jul 18 2005, 05:07 PM)

QUOTE (Pratty @ Jul 18 2005, 04:54 PM) Yes Im aware of that if you read my post after Noddy and I debated it for sometime and I agreed. So rather than pick up on an already proven point how bout ya look at my point of how its very interesting that several clubs are now doing it at the same time. *walks down off 'little soap box'* so they aren't copying you anymore ?

QUOTE (Odyssey @ Jul 18 2005, 05:07 PM)

QUOTE (Pratty @ Jul 18 2005, 04:54 PM) Yes Im aware of that if you read my post after Noddy and I debated it for sometime and I agreed. So rather than pick up on an already proven point how bout ya look at my point of how its very interesting that several clubs are now doing it at the same time. *walks down off 'little soap box'* so they aren't copying you anymore ?

Your making my head hurt hahahahaha . You know what im saying

Welcome back asre muncher

and ive left a spelling error in the last post Shooter incase your bored

QUOTE (erinbradley @ Jul 18 2005, 09:53 AM)

QUOTE (Pratty @ Jul 18 2005, 12:17 AM) And I totally agree with your post before. Make it more fun people! Look at Blakes cheesey sets and bootlegs..massive. Look at Quazzas old school RnB/ Hip Hop cheesey sets. People forget about whos watching and what style of music is cool and just have fun! We need more nights like last thursday at Mojos

YUP YUP YUP aha aha aha YUP!

We need more rediculous drink specials that go forever...more foosball tables in the clubs... erin to run around more showing everyone her rack..and drew to at least smash one schooner per night and someone else to get the blame.

Bring the promoters together you say drew.. a foosball promoter showdown derby..winner gets to plan the club night for that week.


more qua qua on the decks spinniing tunes to make the girls dance and leaves us alone to our boozing and head bopping...

my 2c.. dont like it...get drunk and pass out at Bangas!

i also think the movement needs to change slightly. as stated before, maybe play a litte more cheese, slow it down, more samples an vocals. get a new fresh crowd into it, then slowly down the track when they are hooked, start to change it back to harder. by the time its back to hard as nails they won't realise they hav been 'turned'

QUOTE (Mr S @ Jul 18 2005, 10:02 AM)

QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 18 2005, 09:59 AM) QUOTE (Mr S @ Jul 18 2005, 09:57 AM) QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 18 2005, 09:36 AM) the promoters in adelaide should work together rather than against each other people have been saying this for years but it just won't happen on a broad scale I agree Jarrod, but hopefully there can be a little co-operation.. hope all you like Drew but I'm telling you it ain't happening!

Then we're fucked.

Too many fingers in a party pie.

*shrug*

I'll move to Hobart and start my own scene. Free apples and a cousin on entry.

QUOTE (FunkyChicken @ Jul 18 2005, 05:39 PM)

QUOTE (erinbradley @ Jul 18 2005, 09:53 AM) QUOTE (Pratty @ Jul 18 2005, 12:17 AM) And I totally agree with your post before. Make it more fun people! Look at Blakes cheesey sets and bootlegs..massive. Look at Quazzas old school RnB/ Hip Hop cheesey sets. People forget about whos watching and what style of music is cool and just have fun! We need more nights like last thursday at Mojos YUP YUP YUP aha aha aha YUP! We need more rediculous drink specials that go forever...more foosball tables in the clubs... erin to run around more showing everyone her rack..and drew to at least smash one schooner per night and someone else to get the blame. Bring the promoters together you say drew.. a foosball promoter showdown derby..winner gets to plan the club night for that week. more qua qua on the decks spinniing tunes to make the girls dance and leaves us alone to our boozing and head bopping... my 2c.. dont like it...get drunk and pass out at Bangas!

LOL, we need more fun in the scene, instead of "im too cool people" that aren't friendly and shit. (and to keep Ash off the booze for a little while, at least till later in the night)

QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 18 2005, 05:49 PM)

QUOTE (FunkyChicken @ Jul 18 2005, 05:39 PM) QUOTE (erinbradley @ Jul 18 2005, 09:53 AM) QUOTE (Pratty @ Jul 18 2005, 12:17 AM) And I totally agree with your post before. Make it more fun people! Look at Blakes cheesey sets and bootlegs..massive. Look at Quazzas old school RnB/ Hip Hop cheesey sets. People forget about whos watching and what style of music is cool and just have fun! We need more nights like last thursday at Mojos YUP YUP YUP aha aha aha YUP! We need more rediculous drink specials that go forever...more foosball tables in the clubs... erin to run around more showing everyone her rack..and drew to at least smash one schooner per night and someone else to get the blame. Bring the promoters together you say drew.. a foosball promoter showdown derby..winner gets to plan the club night for that week. more qua qua on the decks spinniing tunes to make the girls dance and leaves us alone to our boozing and head bopping... my 2c.. dont like it...get drunk and pass out at Bangas! LOL, we need more fun in the scene, instead of "im too cool people" that aren't friendly and shit. (and to keep Ash off the booze for a little while, at least till later in the night)

I will do my best to try and change things, but can't garrantee it, i just want to stay out of the politics...

I would support it. if we all get behind ya we'll get it crankin.
just that going against karma will be a bit crap if your gonna make dj's select one night or the other.

QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 18 2005, 03:27 PM)

QUOTE (subbo @ Jul 18 2005, 02:54 PM) they are popular , theres a shitload of bootlegs of old tunes comin out at the moment... still we need some amount of origanality aswell QUOTE (Mr S @ Jul 18 2005, 03:21 PM) The fun MUST be put back into the music which means slowing down the bpms and have elements of funk, chunk, and vocal hooks (just like the original hard house sound). i agree on both accounts..

Why do you think i play all the vocal cheese i do. it's fun bouncy and people enjoy it!

QUOTE (hex @ Jul 22 2005, 06:40 AM)

QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 18 2005, 03:27 PM) QUOTE (subbo @ Jul 18 2005, 02:54 PM) they are popular , theres a shitload of bootlegs of old tunes comin out at the moment... still we need some amount of origanality aswell QUOTE (Mr S @ Jul 18 2005, 03:21 PM) The fun MUST be put back into the music which means slowing down the bpms and have elements of funk, chunk, and vocal hooks (just like the original hard house sound). i agree on both accounts.. Why do you think i play all the vocal cheese i do. it's fun bouncy and people enjoy it!

yeah, but we need a consistancy of enough cheese through the whole night, not just one set..

QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 22 2005, 07:53 AM)

QUOTE (hex @ Jul 22 2005, 06:40 AM) QUOTE (TheDrew @ Jul 18 2005, 03:27 PM) QUOTE (subbo @ Jul 18 2005, 02:54 PM) they are popular , theres a shitload of bootlegs of old tunes comin out at the moment... still we need some amount of origanality aswell QUOTE (Mr S @ Jul 18 2005, 03:21 PM) The fun MUST be put back into the music which means slowing down the bpms and have elements of funk, chunk, and vocal hooks (just like the original hard house sound). i agree on both accounts.. Why do you think i play all the vocal cheese i do. it's fun bouncy and people enjoy it! yeah, but we need a consistancy of enough cheese through the whole night, not just one set..

well, i could play all night but....

Isnt EARTH hard dance most night ???

not totally Adelaide Hardcore, starts house, into trance, hard dance (for a few hours) then into hardcore.
happily be correctd here.

predominantly hard dance yeh.

as i said previously, i think we are well and truly catered for in general for hard dance in adelaide at the moment.

funkychicken's on the ball there with the more foosball tables idea small club, hard dance with some cheese attatched, foosball tables, good drink specials, no carparks next door