gander:
i wrote in an earlier post that there was an interview last night on the ABC with an aussie expert on islamist sites who had talked to the owner of the site which contained the post, they came to the conclusion that it was worded weakly and not of the same type as other more credible claims, therefore probably not genuine, but it is being reported as such..
also regarding conspiracy stuff: this is an area which i have had an interest in for a while, and while i don't accept it all wholesale, i think there is more to it than most people are conditioned to believe.. you are automatically conditioned to consider anyone who takes conspiracy theories seriously as 'nutcases' or 'lunatic fringe'.. and there
is a lot of disinfo out there.. and very little solid proof as such
but to dismiss it all as rubbish off hand without serious examination seems dangerous.. but then if you accept the mainstream society view of how reality is, then i guess it makes sense to react like that..
western governments used to do psychological attacks on it's own population [MK-Ultra LSD experiments ofthe 60's].. also the people and organisations we see on the news are rarely [according to the alternate view] the people with the actual power.
there is a thing called the
Hegelian Dialectic, where to get a desired outcome, you create an extreme version of the opposite so that a backlash occurs.. eg to gain greater control over the population, create an 'terror' enemy, so the population itself accepts and even asks for greter security in exchange for curtailing of freedoms..
in the 'alternate' view even governments are actually at war internally between different factions, theses factions are beyond our normal defintions of left/right etc.. and that the whole shebang, including iraq, the latest bombings, 911, oklahoma, the US elections etc.. are all just manifestations of a war that's been normally hidden from us 'bottom' people..
now, my approach to everything is:
1. i don't think the way i've been taught reality is and works is correct [for many reasons]
so: why have i been taught that it is the way it is? could be a) human stupidity [ie non- consious dumbing down], b) reasons of control [conscious dumbing down], c) other yet to be determined [i'mm open to other possibilities]
2. examine the information out there, compare to my own preception of reality..
eg. look at two different views of the world, combine them, where they overlap means a point which is more likely to be correct, keep these overlap points and test them, look for info to credit or discredit.. examine more viewpoints, theories etc etc and compare to the reality i see around me until i build up an internal model of how i feel things work, see what hypotheses fit best to explain the world i see and experience..
3. keep an open mind, also to the fact that i could be wrong, constantly check, recheck, test..
so in terms of 'conspiracy theory', i watch the news, research history, don't accept any one theory wholesale, test against my combined system to refine or add, see which threads make more sense in the bigger picture of what could be happening..
so:
my 2 cents..
it seems there is some major event to occur, certain sections of society would see this as a religious armaggedon and even welcome it in some way, from another point of view it's the mayan calendar 2012 event, or 'earth changes', possible asteroid impact etc, from yet another [scientific] viewpoint it's 'the singularity' or 'spike'..
whatever, there seems to be coming some extreme change in state, and those at the top of the current chain have seen/known about it for a while and have been scrambling to find a solution [to the point of funding billions into space habitats and mars exploration [[URL=Biosphere II]http://www.bio2.com/[/URL] anyone?]].. finding they may not be able to avoid the chaos that is to occur, they have then gone about trying to control the population [to the extreme in some instances of depopulation [genocide, race wars, genetically engineered 'dead' food products, artificially created famines etc] because the biggest threat in the aftermath will be the mass [ie us] under survival conditions..
so you see bush etc scrambling to retain control of the oil supply post-event, ie establishing military outposts [australia, korea, germany, philipines, iraq] so they can retain power in an increasingly fractured world..
normally we don't see much of this stuff [eat, fuck, consume, die] but i think they'
ve gotten increasingly desparate [serves them right for treating us like cattle] and no longer care so much about the facade of illusionary reality they've been upkeeping, and the hidden war is now coming out into the open..
anyway, that's just my take, i hope i'm wrong, but we'll see..
cheerio
t23
ps. this is why i think it's so important to create locally stable zones of harmony [for wont of better terms] cause if there's enough of us that can do it, things will go better for us if the shit all goes down..
and if it's all nonsense, at least at the end of the day we've created a society that's a little friendlier, a little more free.. ciao
btw i'm open to opposing arguments, not much use if my views crumble under pressure ey?
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) and then can you honestly still say this event was in the interests of the U.K.
emoticion, although I didnt think it was necessary.
