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Schapelle gets 20 years jail
tekJulietPosted: 1 Jun 2005, 9:55am
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jayarPosted: 1 Jun 2005, 4:45pm
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anyone noticed the comparison with how the media hasnt made any similar fuss over david hicks?

the guy has been held without charge for 3.5 years
and its debatable whether they will have anything to pin on him either.
i wonder how many people talk about boycotting america!
*anyone hear about the JJJ dj Mel who about 2 months ago was in transit in LA to a surfing holiday in central america, was stopped because she had a record of being caught with a joint on her when she was 17 years old, they strip and body cavity searched her and deprted her staright back to australia - and she was only in fucking transit!
stupid fucking yanks, they even take finger prints of everyone entering their toilet of a country.
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QUOTE (jayar @ Jun 1 2005, 04:45 PM)
anyone noticed the comparison with how the media hasnt made any similar fuss over david hicks?

the guy has been held without charge for 3.5 years
and its debatable whether they will have anything to pin on him either.
i wonder how many people talk about boycotting america!
*anyone hear about the JJJ dj Mel who about 2 months ago was in transit in LA to a surfing holiday in central america, was stopped because she had a record of being caught with a joint on her when she was 17 years old, they strip and body cavity searched her and deprted her staright back to australia - and she was only in fucking transit!
stupid fucking yanks, they even take finger prints of everyone entering their toilet of a country.

Agree, I'm a big Shapelle supporter, but I reckon David Hicks has been hard done by. Charge him, give him a trial or let him go. It's that simple.
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Comments on this..? 017_dontgetit.gif

Personally, I don't think this helps her chances. But, it's a totally different issue, event, and shouldn't be taken into account when she goes for an appeal 005_mellow.gif

Apparently the power is a form of anthrax related to the bacteria bacillus 014_gasp.gif

(from news.com.au)

WHEN the Indonesian Ambassador's secretary opened a letter addressed to her boss yesterday, a potentially deadly powder spilled to the floor.

The letter had arrived on her desk shortly after 10.30am, addressed by name to Indonesian Ambassador Imron Cotan. The secretary immediately called the Australian Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade to raise the alarm, and the four-storey compound in Yarralumla was soon sealed off with the 50 staff inside. It is not clear if the secretary inhaled any of the substance.

Fire, ambulance and police officers were placed on a hazardous materials alert. Experts in isolation suits took samples, which were sent for analysis. Inside the embassy, staff were told to keep calm.

Shortly afterwards, the Minister for Foreign Affairs Alexander Downer told Parliament tests had proved positive for a "biological agent". "Further analysis of the powder has tested positive as a biological agent so further testing will need to be carried out to find out what that substance actually is," he said.

Hours later, Prime Minister John Howard said it was an act of "murderous criminality". Calls to staff locked inside the embassy revealed they were not aware of the bio-threat or the lockdown.

In Bali, Indonesian Foreign Ministry spokesman Marty Natalegawa called it a "cowardly" act.

Corby's lawyer Lily Lubis said the alert would damage her client's case and said she had not told Corby as it would make her "very sad and worried".

Security at the Indonesian consulate in Perth was increased last month after staff received bullets and a letter warning they would be killed unless Corby was released.

Ida Bagus Wiswantanu, the chief prosecutor in charge of Corby's case, appeared shocked. "It is very clear this action is a really big crime, especially committed upon people who don't know anything about this case or have any involvement in the case," he said, referring to embassy staff. "For me this is a psychological burden because I handled this case directly. How did it come to this - I don't understand. "They [the perpetrators] should respect the legal system in our territory."

Judge Linton Sirait, the chief of the three-judge Corby panel, refused to comment. Corby's family also declined to comment.

The Indonesian Foreign Ministry spokesman, Mr Natalegawa said: "This is not the way that we know Australians act. It is not Australian."

Jodie Power, who was in Bali to support Corby when she was found guilty of smuggling 4.1kg of marijuana and sentenced to 20 years jail, condemned the attack. "I am disgusted, I can't believe people will go to those lengths to support somebody," she said. "I think it's very un-Australian. It's one thing to boycott Bali but it's another thing to do something like that and put people's lives at risk."
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QUOTE (Gander @ May 30 2005, 03:43 PM)
Every day we become more and more like the U.S.: Fuck the rest of the world,

Sending biological agents to diplomats - now which is the only other country in the world were this happened? 020_dozing.gif
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QUOTE (Gander @ Jun 2 2005, 09:28 AM)
QUOTE (Gander @ May 30 2005, 03:43 PM)
Every day we become more and more like the U.S.: Fuck the rest of the world,

Sending biological agents to diplomats - now which is the only other country in the world were this happened? 020_dozing.gif

Yeah good comparison, I'm sure it was americans who sent biological agents to themselves.. 035_blink.gif




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QUOTE (static @ Jun 2 2005, 10:20 AM)

Yeah good comparison, I'm sure it was americans who sent biological agents to themselves.. 035_blink.gif

Umm, I am talkin about the case where actual athrax en route to the white house was found in a U.S. mailing facility - and yes it was linked to an American citizen 014_gasp.gif
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QUOTE (Gander @ Jun 2 2005, 11:15 AM)
QUOTE (static @ Jun 2 2005, 10:20 AM)

Yeah good comparison, I'm sure it was americans who sent biological agents to themselves..  035_blink.gif

Umm, I am talkin about the case where actual athrax en route to the white house was found in a U.S. mailing facility - and yes it was linked to an American citizen 014_gasp.gif

Shit sorry my mistake, i totally forgot that america was the root of all the evil in the world, and it's not terrorist fault they try to kill people, it's because america didn't tuck them in at night when they were growing up..

Blame america, so much quicker and easier.. seirioulsy who can be bothered blaming the people who are actually resposible for their own actions..

Besides hating america is so hot right now, might as well jump on the band wagon..

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QUOTE (static @ Jun 2 2005, 12:19 PM)

Shit sorry my mistake, i totally forgot that america was the root of all the evil in the world, and it's not terrorist fault they try to kill people, it's because america didn't tuck them in at night when they were growing up..

Blame america, so much quicker and easier.. seirioulsy who can be bothered blaming the people who are actually resposible for their own actions..

Besides hating america is so hot right now, might as well jump on the band wagon..

Whoah, easy there tiger. Fairly pro-u.s. for someone with a canadian flag as their avatar (aka a nation that is not part of the 'coallition of the willing')

As someone who has visited the U.S. twice and worked there for 6 months, I think its safe to say I am not anti-american. My opinions of the U.S. have been cultivated over YEARS of EXPERIENCE, not simple ''band wagon jumpin'

All I am pointing out is that the behaviour of some Australians to use bio-terrorism has only every been exeprienced in one other nation.

The U.S. has done much good, and much bad to Australia, as their "deputy sheriff", but I think the 'good vs. evil' war we have been led into is an example of a bad. Sure insurgents have no place to kill the innocent, but the U.S. cant expect to behave in the manner it does and not attract attention.

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QUOTE (jayar @ Jun 1 2005, 04:45 PM)
*anyone hear about the JJJ dj Mel who about 2 months ago was in transit in LA to a surfing holiday in central america, was stopped because she had a record of being caught with a joint on her when she was 17 years old, they strip and body cavity searched her and deprted her staright back to australia - and she was only in fucking transit!

haha that's awesome, stupid annoying bitch. I wish we still had the morning show.
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QUOTE (Gander @ Jun 2 2005, 12:30 PM)
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Shit sorry my mistake, i totally forgot that america was the root of all the evil in the world, and it's not terrorist fault they try to kill people, it's because america didn't tuck them in at night when they were growing up..

Blame america, so much quicker and easier.. seirioulsy who can be bothered blaming the people who are actually resposible for their own actions..

Besides hating america is so hot right now, might as well jump on the band wagon..

Whoah, easy there tiger. Fairly pro-u.s. for someone with a canadian flag as their avatar (aka a nation that is not part of the 'coallition of the willing')

As someone who has visited the U.S. twice and worked there for 6 months, I think its safe to say I am not anti-american. My opinions of the U.S. have been cultivated over YEARS of EXPERIENCE, not simple ''band wagon jumpin'

All I am pointing out is that the behaviour of some Australians to use bio-terrorism has only every been exeprienced in one other nation.

The U.S. has done much good, and much bad to Australia, as their "deputy sheriff", but I think the 'good vs. evil' war we have been led into is an example of a bad. Sure insurgents have no place to kill the innocent, but the U.S. cant expect to behave in the manner it does and not attract attention.

Yeah i am a canadian, and i'm not pro american, i just hate how all these terrorists are running around killing us, and blowing us up, but everyone keeps blaming america, yeah true america is fucked up no denying that..

BUt just wish someone for once would say something like.. fuck those terrorists, i sure do wish they'd chill the fuck out.. etc etc

Didn't mean to have a go at you buddy..
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QUOTE (static @ Jun 2 2005, 02:46 PM)
BUt just wish someone for once would say something like.. fuck the terrorist, i sure do wish they'd chill the fuck out.. etc etc

So now your picking on Ray Keith???

He's always liked it hard and dark, and now your telling him to chill out?
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Fuck those terrorists, i sure do wish they'd chill the fuck out

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QUOTE (static @ Jun 2 2005, 01:46 PM)
Yeah i am a canadian, and i'm not pro american, i just hate how all these terrorists are running around killing us, and blowing us up, but everyone keeps blaming america, yeah true america is fucked up no denying that..

the problem is that america helped create a lot of these groups, actively supporting them when it suited them, selling them expertise, skills, weapons etc [check saddam against iran, contras in central america, mujahadeen in afghanistan against the russians etc]..

the world isn't so simple as portrayed in mainstream media..

hegelian dialectic:

if you want an outcome, engineer the reverse so the people actually welcome the pre-made solution..

want more control over your population? create 'terrorists'..

want to control drugs? create a drug 'war'..

'agent provacateurs': infiltrate a group, push them towards extremism..

EU, UN, trading blocs, passport control, RFID implants, etc, there's more going on behind the scenes than what is portrayed on the surface IMO..
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alot of ppl jump on and come out with the big conspiracies of the usa. thing is who would you rather being in control? that tryies to have some form of global stability or some back yard asshole who couldnt give a crap about you and your values?

and as for the usa creating the terrorists in the first place, well terrorism has been around since the end of the second world war and yeah during a wartime situation BOTH of the worlds powers used terrorists when it suited them ie the chinese and russians backed the north vietnames in the vietnam war, the US backed the mujudeen against the russians in afghanistan and the US AND RUSSIA cashed in during the 10 year war between IRAQ and IRAN. why is it seeming like it the world against the usa? well they make things happen. if it were not for the usa the russians would have been over run by the germans we would have been overrun by the japanese and europe as a whole wouldve been under nazi control. the world forgets this very quickly when its convenient for them.

i hate the whole usa bashing shit as too many greenpeace pollies come out with so much crap about the bad things they do and all the good gets forgotten about. the media stirs up so much shit about the us all the time and we never seem to hear about what happens behind chinas doors etc etc.

and anyways what the hell has all of this to do with shappelle the drug smuggler?
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QUOTE (static @ Jun 2 2005, 12:19 PM)
Blame america, so much quicker and easier...

i dont know about that dude... i think youre more likely to hear people blaming terrorists than america. havent caught any terrorist sympathy in the news recently... but the rimming of bush is all over it.

personally i think theyre equally to blame, though americas death toll on innocent civilians is higher than that by any terrorist groups.

fuck it. one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter... 020_dozing.gif

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if it were not for the usa the russians would have been over run by the germans we would have been overrun by the japanese and europe as a whole wouldve been under nazi control. the world forgets this very quickly when its convenient for them.

utter bullshit. you should read some books mate, thats utter utter shite. the yanks helped the brits and the french in western europe and saved the rest of europe being carved up by stalin and becoming communist controlled.
damn, where does this come from? speculation? movies like 'pearl habour necklace'? jesus.


anyway ray keith should try his hand at liquid, he hasnt made a new beat in years! 001_smile.gif

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oooh conspiricies

did you hear that george bush is actually from somalia and is a chick??

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interesting article in the age newspaper, gives some of the fuckwits in this country some perspective and something to think about:



When justice gets lost in translation
June 2, 2005
Is Schapelle Corby the victim of rough justice? Ask Chika Honda, writes Sushi
Das.

She was jailed for smuggling drugs into a foreign country. She claimed somebody
else put them in her bag, but the judge didn't believe her. Her lawyers fought
language and cultural problems to put her case, but their efforts came to
nothing.

Schapelle Corby? No, her name is Chika Honda. Arrested in Melbourne, she served
10-and-a-half years in Victorian jails before being deported to Japan. Thirteen
years on, she is still trying to clear her name.

Miscarriages of justice, if that is what has happened in the Corby case, can
happen in any country, even one with a sophisticated legal system untainted by
corruption, such as Australia's. Even one whose citizens presume to hold the
moral high ground.

Those using the Corby case to slander an entire nation, accusing Indonesia of
having a barbaric legal system, where the judges are "monkeys" and justice goes
awry, should reflect on the details of the Honda case.

Chika Honda was one of four Japanese tourists found with heroin in false panels
in their suitcases when they landed at Melbourne Airport in 1992. (A fifth man
Yoshio Katsuno, was believed to be the main drug smuggler.) All had stopped over
in Kuala Lumpur where they said the van containing their luggage was stolen.

Yoshio Katsuno later told the others that their suitcases had been found, but
because they were damaged, a friend of his had replaced them with new ones and
transferred their belongings. All were charged in Australia with importing
nearly 13 kilograms of heroin with a street value of between $20 million and $30
million. They claimed to be innocents abroad who were the victims of a set-up.
But the court in Australia didn't believe their story. Just like the court in
Bali didn't believe Corby's.

When they were found guilty in 1994, Judge Russell Lewis said foreign nationals
convicted of importing drugs into Australia must be sent to prison.

Yoshio Katsuno got 20 years behind bars. He is still in jail today. The others,
Masahara Katsuno, Mitsuo Katsuno, Kiichiro Asami and Chika Honda, alleged to be
drug couriers, spent 10-and-a-half years in jail before being deported in 2002.
They have never stopped protesting their innocence.

Having exhausted appeals to Australian authorities, 50 lawyers on their behalf
have appealed to the United Nations Human Rights Commission in Geneva, arguing
that their trial was a violation of their human rights because inadequate
language interpretation affected their right to a fair trial.

Chika Honda, the only woman in the group, came to represent the group's
innocence. Issues of language, money and cultural difference form interesting
parallels between the Corby and Honda cases.

When charged with a crime in a foreign country, language becomes crucial, but so
does the need to maintain perspective. According to one Sydney shock-jock: "The
judges (in Corby's case) don't even speak English, mate, they're straight out of
the trees." By the same reckoning, the judge in the Honda case should have
spoken Japanese.

There's also the issue of cash. Honda's legal aid team could not afford
investigators to mount a substantive defence. Money is also likely to be
important in Corby's future.

Then there is the obstacle of cultural differences. The Japanese failed to
aggressively assert their innocence in court. In Japan this is seen as
culturally appropriate, but in Australia it's seen as a sign of guilt. In
Corby's case, cultural differences were apparent in a courtroom where cameras
were allowed and judges talked freely to the media.

Much Australian public sentiment has savaged the Indonesian judicial system as
primitive and brutal. Perhaps the Japanese thought that about Australia's
system.

On returning to Japan, Masahara Katsuno said: "The current Australian judicial
system has a very serious problem." Mitsuno Katsuno said he believed racial
prejudice was to blame: "I realised later on that in Australia, many Asian
Australians committed crimes. That's why I think they believed we were the same
as them." Chika Honda also spoke of injustice: "I was humiliated. I need some
time to free my mind."

Honda has not given up her fight to clear her name. Two Australian legal experts
are preparing a petition to the Governor-General requesting that he exercise a
Royal Prerogative of Mercy. They are asking for her conviction to be nullified
on the basis of new evidence yet to be revealed.

It would be unfair to condemn Australia because of what some believe to be a
miscarriage of justice in the case of Honda and her group, yet the Corby chorus
has no hesitation in slandering all Indonesia for the Corby verdict.

In what has become an embarrassing farce, with some Corby fans demanding the
return of tsunami aid and calling for a boycott of Bali tourism, many are
looking for reasons for the vitriol: racism, xenophobia, a feeling that Bali is
an "Australian space". But maybe there's something deeper.

What lies at the root of the Corby hysteria is a Eurocentric view of the world -
a view that ultimately celebrates the rise and triumph of the West over the
East. At the heart of this idea is an attitude that, broadly speaking, the West
is dynamic, intelligent, rational, free, tolerant, honest and civilised, while
the East is stagnant, ignorant, superstitious, enslaved, intolerant, corrupt and
barbaric.

At the beginning of the 21st century, the truth is the world is a global network
of rich and poor countries. Only by ditching a Eurocentric perspective can it be
possible to see that the world today is a result not only of European advances,
but massive contributions by the East. What's required is perspective and
respect.
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wow thats an amazing read! i cant believe stuff like this goes down all the time... i mean, who tupdi are we to just react to any old flashy headline and emotive story. i feel for anyone who has been convicted falsely... 002_sad.gif
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QUOTE (jayar @ Jun 9 2005, 04:44 PM)
even one with a sophisticated legal system untainted by
corruption, such as Australia's.

lol
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... even one with a sophisticated legal system untainted by corruption, such as Australia's.

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Just ask Eugene McGee how untainted by corruption Australia's legal system is!!!
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even one with a sophisticated legal system untainted by
corruption, such as Australia's.

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QUOTE (jayar @ Jun 1 2005, 04:45 PM)
i wonder how many people talk about boycotting america!

not gonna happen until nike stop making hot trainers
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QUOTE (NTrance @ Jun 9 2005, 09:24 PM)
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... even one with a sophisticated legal system untainted by corruption, such as Australia's.

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Just ask Eugene McGee how untainted by corruption Australia's legal system is!!!

no shit tho
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As for Chika Honda everybody who reads this should scroll down for some perspective although i dunno what truths lie in this argument as in corbies case there appears a guilty until proven innocent in a foreign language verdict

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QUOTE (alexb618 @ Jun 9 2005, 10:54 PM)
QUOTE (jayar @ Jun 1 2005, 04:45 PM)
i wonder how many people talk about boycotting america!

not gonna happen until nike stop making hot trainers

What does a product made by 8 year old Chinese kids have to do with America?
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QUOTE (Noddy @ Jun 9 2005, 11:53 PM)
QUOTE (alexb618 @ Jun 9 2005, 10:54 PM)
QUOTE (jayar @ Jun 1 2005, 04:45 PM)
i wonder how many people talk about boycotting america!

not gonna happen until nike stop making hot trainers

What does a product made by 8 year old Chinese kids have to do with America?

its all... male models... trained killing machines.. in peak physical condition... to kill the prime minister of micronesia.. thats is all 066_shear.gif
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QUOTE (Jim @ Jun 10 2005, 08:36 AM)
Nice avatar Mekah. I seen that movie the other night. So hot 006_grin.gif

haha yeh she is pretty hot in it! I was surprised how well blonde hair suited her aswell 003_wink.gif Interesting movie it is indeed.... and ohh.. Jude Law...

but anyways back on the chapelle stuff.. interesting story about that Chika Honda girl.. thats really not cool! Shows you how the media will sensationalise one story for ratings etc..but they dont give nearly asmuch attention to another similar story (Chika Honda) coz it looks poorly on the government.. and ahhhh how easily we r swayed to believe what ever they tell us! (I mean we have all seen how badly media can sensationalise stuff like for example how the DMA story was a headliner story when they didnt know hardly any facts!!! :S) We are all individual 035_blink.gif
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fuck yerPosted: 12 Jun 2005, 5:59am
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in protest i took a piss without washing my hands after
I can see your point, but I still think you're full of shit.
mifPosted: 12 Jun 2005, 9:56am
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QUOTE (jayar @ Jun 9 2005, 03:44 PM)
interesting article in the age newspaper, gives some of the fuckwits in this country some perspective and something to think about:



When justice gets lost in translation
June 2, 2005
Is Schapelle Corby the victim of rough justice? Ask Chika Honda, writes Sushi
Das.

She was jailed for smuggling drugs into a foreign country. She claimed somebody
else put them in her bag, but the judge didn't believe her. Her lawyers fought
language and cultural problems to put her case, but their efforts came to
nothing.

Schapelle Corby? No, her name is Chika Honda. Arrested in Melbourne, she served
10-and-a-half years in Victorian jails before being deported to Japan. Thirteen
years on, she is still trying to clear her name.

Miscarriages of justice, if that is what has happened in the Corby case, can
happen in any country, even one with a sophisticated legal system untainted by
corruption, such as Australia's. Even one whose citizens presume to hold the
moral high ground.

Those using the Corby case to slander an entire nation, accusing Indonesia of
having a barbaric legal system, where the judges are "monkeys" and justice goes
awry, should reflect on the details of the Honda case.

Chika Honda was one of four Japanese tourists found with heroin in false panels
in their suitcases when they landed at Melbourne Airport in 1992. (A fifth man
Yoshio Katsuno, was believed to be the main drug smuggler.) All had stopped over
in Kuala Lumpur where they said the van containing their luggage was stolen.

Yoshio Katsuno later told the others that their suitcases had been found, but
because they were damaged, a friend of his had replaced them with new ones and
transferred their belongings. All were charged in Australia with importing
nearly 13 kilograms of heroin with a street value of between $20 million and $30
million. They claimed to be innocents abroad who were the victims of a set-up.
But the court in Australia didn't believe their story. Just like the court in
Bali didn't believe Corby's.

When they were found guilty in 1994, Judge Russell Lewis said foreign nationals
convicted of importing drugs into Australia must be sent to prison.

Yoshio Katsuno got 20 years behind bars. He is still in jail today. The others,
Masahara Katsuno, Mitsuo Katsuno, Kiichiro Asami and Chika Honda, alleged to be
drug couriers, spent 10-and-a-half years in jail before being deported in 2002.
They have never stopped protesting their innocence.

Having exhausted appeals to Australian authorities, 50 lawyers on their behalf
have appealed to the United Nations Human Rights Commission in Geneva, arguing
that their trial was a violation of their human rights because inadequate
language interpretation affected their right to a fair trial.

Chika Honda, the only woman in the group, came to represent the group's
innocence. Issues of language, money and cultural difference form interesting
parallels between the Corby and Honda cases.

When charged with a crime in a foreign country, language becomes crucial, but so
does the need to maintain perspective. According to one Sydney shock-jock: "The
judges (in Corby's case) don't even speak English, mate, they're straight out of
the trees." By the same reckoning, the judge in the Honda case should have
spoken Japanese.

There's also the issue of cash. Honda's legal aid team could not afford
investigators to mount a substantive defence. Money is also likely to be
important in Corby's future.

Then there is the obstacle of cultural differences. The Japanese failed to
aggressively assert their innocence in court. In Japan this is seen as
culturally appropriate, but in Australia it's seen as a sign of guilt. In
Corby's case, cultural differences were apparent in a courtroom where cameras
were allowed and judges talked freely to the media.

Much Australian public sentiment has savaged the Indonesian judicial system as
primitive and brutal. Perhaps the Japanese thought that about Australia's
system.

On returning to Japan, Masahara Katsuno said: "The current Australian judicial
system has a very serious problem." Mitsuno Katsuno said he believed racial
prejudice was to blame: "I realised later on that in Australia, many Asian
Australians committed crimes. That's why I think they believed we were the same
as them." Chika Honda also spoke of injustice: "I was humiliated. I need some
time to free my mind."

Honda has not given up her fight to clear her name. Two Australian legal experts
are preparing a petition to the Governor-General requesting that he exercise a
Royal Prerogative of Mercy. They are asking for her conviction to be nullified
on the basis of new evidence yet to be revealed.

It would be unfair to condemn Australia because of what some believe to be a
miscarriage of justice in the case of Honda and her group, yet the Corby chorus
has no hesitation in slandering all Indonesia for the Corby verdict.

In what has become an embarrassing farce, with some Corby fans demanding the
return of tsunami aid and calling for a boycott of Bali tourism, many are
looking for reasons for the vitriol: racism, xenophobia, a feeling that Bali is
an "Australian space". But maybe there's something deeper.

What lies at the root of the Corby hysteria is a Eurocentric view of the world -
a view that ultimately celebrates the rise and triumph of the West over the
East. At the heart of this idea is an attitude that, broadly speaking, the West
is dynamic, intelligent, rational, free, tolerant, honest and civilised, while
the East is stagnant, ignorant, superstitious, enslaved, intolerant, corrupt and
barbaric.

At the beginning of the 21st century, the truth is the world is a global network
of rich and poor countries. Only by ditching a Eurocentric perspective can it be
possible to see that the world today is a result not only of European advances,
but massive contributions by the East. What's required is perspective and
respect.

Wow, well written in most aspects, I will be honest, I dont Know the case you are refering to. I was listening to 5AA they had an expert in Indonesion Law from Melb, Did u know the the police force,security and prison guards are paid low wages?...Why because they are EXPECTED to take bribes, to supplement there income. Its the dirtiest word, corruption, Im not saying that our country dosnt have it ....but we dont expect our law enforcment to make up the rest of there wages in bribes.He went on to say that if the corby case wasnt well known, and she offered the write bribe, at the write time she would be a free person, the anouncer, shocked said how much would she have to pay, he replied "A large amount of dope like that would cost you around 20,000 in bribes" Just like that there is a set amount. Man that is a fukd up legal system.I dont know the guys name but he held degrees in law, political science @ Melb uni....corruption and Justice are like oil and water....they dont and never will mix.
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alexb618Posted: 4 Jul 2005, 9:36pm
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i read this today, the indo courts are likely to re-open the case as there is new evidence!
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a friend of mine has just returned from Bali, she said that it is well known over there that Shapelle's brother in law's Surf Shop is the place to buy high quality good shit ........hmmm

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