OdysseyPosted: 6 Feb 2004, 3:32pmrecovered Lab 4 (UK) Easter W/E
The time has come for Adelaides best rave and club promoters to unite, for what is guaranteed to be one of the most talked about events of the year.
Good Friday April 9 witness a 2 room onslaught of epic proportions !
The powerhouses behind System 6, Frantic, Enchanted, Ultraworld Anthems and Twice as Nice bring you the Tidy Weekender, spearheaded by the worlds No.1 Live hard dance act LAB4 (UK) and Tidy Trax weapon Guyver (UK), along with this cities biggest rave and club DJs and MCs.
Limited pre-sold early bird tickets on sale from Tuesday 10th from Venuetix, Central Station and 618 Records.
Make no mistake this is the main event for Easter Friday.
muffinsPosted: 29 Feb 2004, 10:21pm
Yoda's Love Child OK who's excited? I cant wait for another big St Pauls show, its been aaaaaaaaages! And I've missed lab4 the last 2 or 3 times they were here, hopefully they're as good as the first time I saw them at St Pauls
I wonder what the shroud of Turin tastes like?
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--->the muffinator<---
--->Muffia Don<---
ThrobPosted: 1 Mar 2004, 4:16pm Newbie
Has to be LAB 4 for this long weekend!!
President Bush Earlybirds finish up on Monday ..
available at Centrals marion, venuetix and ticket express
PUSH .. weekly @ Traffic
coming soon:
Soda Room Street Party - Friday March 26th
Tidy Trax tour (Lab 4, Guyver, Warp Brothers) - Good Friday
Freeformation (Kev Energy, Sharkey, Mark Ashley) - Apr 25th
Winter Enchanted - July 3rd 04
' just dont forget there are 3 sides to every story
mine yours and the truth !!! ' Cameron Whyatt
Raver So im keen as to see Lab 4 there rocking !!!
Are they confirmed ODDY ????...........
FAHRENHITE
4 INTERNATIONALS AND 4 INTERSTATERS
unused 3000 capacity venue !!
you though Vyrsm digital outlaws was big wait for this one gonna be massive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
DavyGPosted: 4 Mar 2004, 11:46am sentient
hmmmmm still in two minds asto if ishould go or not. The Nu Energy guys are playing St Pills on the 25th.....will have to give this one some thought.
"...life is one big fucking horrible joke and you are the punchline. The trick is to make it funny, make it smart, and make it original." - elmox
President Bush| QUOTE (unitedminds @ Mar 4 2004, 11:38 AM) |
So im keen as to see Lab 4 there rocking !!! Are they confirmed ODDY ????........... |
sure are mate
PUSH .. weekly @ Traffic
coming soon:
Soda Room Street Party - Friday March 26th
Tidy Trax tour (Lab 4, Guyver, Warp Brothers) - Good Friday
Freeformation (Kev Energy, Sharkey, Mark Ashley) - Apr 25th
Winter Enchanted - July 3rd 04
' just dont forget there are 3 sides to every story
mine yours and the truth !!! ' Cameron Whyatt
HaydzPosted: 4 Mar 2004, 8:21pm --------------
weren't the warp bros booked at st pauls for NYE??
I can't be bothered getting an avatar.
Homer no function beer without
BongoPosted: 4 Mar 2004, 10:12pm
Guru Unfortunately won't be makin' it for this, be too busy out in the bush getting pissed & causing havok, motorbikes, madness, mega-pa, mega-smashed.
Go and 'ave it, Lab 4 & Guyver will defo be rocking it!
Upcoming sets....
March 20 - Psychosis (Melb)
May 1st - Destruction (Justin Bourne @ Le Rox)
Meow Crew
Got my hand on a flyer today am well impressed!
Fuck with me and you time will be now. It affects the mind of my people like a fever.
Triple cheese burger? does that mean its got a double layer of meat? - Funky Chicken
MoePosted: 5 Mar 2004, 4:21pm
The B&D Crew | QUOTE (tekJuliet @ Mar 4 2004, 08:30 PM) |
| QUOTE (Haydz @ Mar 4 2004, 08:21 PM) | | weren't the warp bros booked at st pauls for NYE?? |
yeah, i think they played new years day actually but maybe wrong (?) |
Yeah they played at the St Pauls recovery on New Years Day.
Looking forward to this one, haven't seen Lab 4 yet. Cmon Easter!
Ravers - Evolved hippies with added hygiene
Nos makes my brain go tingly
DJ BenPosted: 6 Mar 2004, 3:34pm
DJ by trade, Musician at heart I have someone asking if details of the local lineup for this have been released
MENTAZM - Monday nights, 10 - 12am with DJ Ben & DJ L8s playing the best in Trance, Techno, NRG & Hardcore on 92.7 Fresh FM.
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NoddyPosted: 6 Mar 2004, 3:35pm
President Bush Theyre on the flyer.
I REBUKE ALL NEGATIVE ASPECTS OF ODDYSEY AND HIS CORRUPT CREW.I DO THIS IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST AND ALL THE COMPANY OF HEAVEN.
Raver Isnt there more than one party on the same night as this but at heaven i thought twice as nice was on and its advertised to be part of the TIDY TOUR ????
FAHRENHITE
4 INTERNATIONALS AND 4 INTERSTATERS
unused 3000 capacity venue !!
you though Vyrsm digital outlaws was big wait for this one gonna be massive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
President Bush | QUOTE (unitedminds @ Mar 6 2004, 04:30 PM) |
| Isnt there more than one party on the same night as this but at heaven i thought twice as nice was on and its advertised to be part of the TIDY TOUR ???? |
there's 3 parties on that night !
Twice as nice, Tidy Tour and US @ Brickworks
Local Line up for the Tidy tour is on the flyer ..
PUSH .. weekly @ Traffic
coming soon:
Soda Room Street Party - Friday March 26th
Tidy Trax tour (Lab 4, Guyver, Warp Brothers) - Good Friday
Freeformation (Kev Energy, Sharkey, Mark Ashley) - Apr 25th
Winter Enchanted - July 3rd 04
' just dont forget there are 3 sides to every story
mine yours and the truth !!! ' Cameron Whyatt
raver in training Ahem .. . yay oddy spoil the fun about silicone valley . . but the question is do we believe you?
cos we’re all ordinary people with a love for the music,
with a love for the scene and everything that it brings,
it brings love, peace, unity,
multi cultural harmony,
go close your eyes and catch your dreams,
this is hardcore, know what I mean?
President Bush| QUOTE (thecrazyg @ Mar 6 2004, 06:43 PM) |
| Ahem .. . yay oddy spoil the fun about silicone valley . . but the question is do we believe you? |
well no ones denied it and it was one of the silicone valley lads that told me ..
PUSH .. weekly @ Traffic
coming soon:
Soda Room Street Party - Friday March 26th
Tidy Trax tour (Lab 4, Guyver, Warp Brothers) - Good Friday
Freeformation (Kev Energy, Sharkey, Mark Ashley) - Apr 25th
Winter Enchanted - July 3rd 04
' just dont forget there are 3 sides to every story
mine yours and the truth !!! ' Cameron Whyatt
Raver looks like someone has been court ......
FAHRENHITE
4 INTERNATIONALS AND 4 INTERSTATERS
unused 3000 capacity venue !!
you though Vyrsm digital outlaws was big wait for this one gonna be massive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
President Bush court ? like the place with judges and shit ?
PUSH .. weekly @ Traffic
coming soon:
Soda Room Street Party - Friday March 26th
Tidy Trax tour (Lab 4, Guyver, Warp Brothers) - Good Friday
Freeformation (Kev Energy, Sharkey, Mark Ashley) - Apr 25th
Winter Enchanted - July 3rd 04
' just dont forget there are 3 sides to every story
mine yours and the truth !!! ' Cameron Whyatt
Raver nah man its my dislexia doode sorry i meant caught as in me thinking othere wise as to the showsa on the same night
FAHRENHITE
4 INTERNATIONALS AND 4 INTERSTATERS
unused 3000 capacity venue !!
you though Vyrsm digital outlaws was big wait for this one gonna be massive !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Guru this event is massive, maybe being held in the house of god on this night will bless these superstar DJ's with some godly mixing skills.
Making alot of no sence.
The Fairest of Them All...| QUOTE (Odyssey @ Mar 6 2004, 06:41 PM) |
| QUOTE (unitedminds @ Mar 6 2004, 04:30 PM) | | Isnt there more than one party on the same night as this but at heaven i thought twice as nice was on and its advertised to be part of the TIDY TOUR ???? |
there's 3 parties on that night !
Twice as nice, Tidy Tour and US @ Brickworks
Local Line up for the Tidy tour is on the flyer .. |
Damn it!
BRICKWORKS!!!
But, I live round the corner from there - coulda crawled home...
And they have mini golf!
Oh well - think I've made the better choice
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... step in my transporter, so I can teleport ya ...
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SpadgePosted: 8 Mar 2004, 7:02pm
Administrator for those of us who are yet to see a flyer...can someone post the list of Local DJ's for this event
DOSS SESSIONS - Proper Doss CuntsBegbie: Did you bring the cards?
Sick Boy: What?
Begbie: The cards, the last thing I told you was to mind the cards!
Sick Boy: Well, I've not brought them.
Begbie: It's fucking boring after a while without the cards.
Sick Boy: I'm sorry.
Begbie: Bit fucking late, like.
Sick Boy: Why didn't *you* bring them?
Begbie: 'CAUSE I FUCKING TOLD YOU TO BRING THEM, YOU DOSS CUNT!!!
President Bush Local line up : Odyssey, Mr S, Devious, MPK, Kontrol, Josh, Justice, Angus, Noddy, Andy J, Quantum, Submission, H-Bomb, Ism, Angel, Gagootz, Mimik, Sniper, Brett Witter and Mc's Maestro D and Moore
PUSH .. weekly @ Traffic
coming soon:
Soda Room Street Party - Friday March 26th
Tidy Trax tour (Lab 4, Guyver, Warp Brothers) - Good Friday
Freeformation (Kev Energy, Sharkey, Mark Ashley) - Apr 25th
Winter Enchanted - July 3rd 04
' just dont forget there are 3 sides to every story
mine yours and the truth !!! ' Cameron Whyatt
peteKPosted: 9 Mar 2004, 7:15pm
give it up for petey! so what are the genre's of the 3 arenas?
oh, i'm not a doctor.....
President Bush Upstairs is Hard Dance, Downstairs Is Anthems and outside is the chill out courtyard !
PUSH .. weekly @ Traffic
coming soon:
Soda Room Street Party - Friday March 26th
Tidy Trax tour (Lab 4, Guyver, Warp Brothers) - Good Friday
Freeformation (Kev Energy, Sharkey, Mark Ashley) - Apr 25th
Winter Enchanted - July 3rd 04
' just dont forget there are 3 sides to every story
mine yours and the truth !!! ' Cameron Whyatt
rEspOnaBilItY mUnkEy
has anyone heard the silicone valley ad on fresh with the warp bros. going insane playing in the background? thought it was piss funny...
guess even tho they are putting on the opposing event they still wanna cum to st pauls!
comstaja eest da weekend...
President Bush| QUOTE (Buster Brown @ Mar 9 2004, 09:38 PM) |
has anyone heard the silicone valley ad on fresh with the warp bros. going insane playing in the background? thought it was piss funny...
guess even tho they are putting on the opposing event they still wanna cum to st pauls! |
i think it's US they are using in the ad ..
PUSH .. weekly @ Traffic
coming soon:
Soda Room Street Party - Friday March 26th
Tidy Trax tour (Lab 4, Guyver, Warp Brothers) - Good Friday
Freeformation (Kev Energy, Sharkey, Mark Ashley) - Apr 25th
Winter Enchanted - July 3rd 04
' just dont forget there are 3 sides to every story
mine yours and the truth !!! ' Cameron Whyatt
rEspOnaBilItY mUnkEy
wow i thought it was there ad but with the track behind it. but then again wouldnt be the first thing ifve fucked up this week. ooops
my bad
comstaja eest da weekend...
KrooLPosted: 11 Mar 2004, 6:58pm Rotor
Twice as Nice = No Lab 4
Brickworks = No Lab 4
As far as I'm concerned, there is only one REAL party on that night.
Government = Legalised Mafia
Yoda's Love Child Word
I wonder what the shroud of Turin tastes like?
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--->the muffinator<---
--->Muffia Don<---
Guru just saw the flyer in Onion magazine. how come it says down the bottom:
a choice of 2 meals will be provided on entry. alcohol can be consumed from 9pm after eating a meal???
what food do we get then, grool?
Making alot of no sence.
Mr. ĸąňďı of the plurainbow kru| QUOTE (JamesM @ Mar 31 2004, 10:47 AM) |
| QUOTE (babyraver @ Mar 31 2004, 10:26 AM) | | QUOTE (Twisten @ Mar 31 2004, 10:23 AM) |
he's still learning how to spell properly in school
|
You title is right... your such a sweetheart |
That should be:
you're |
Pff I know what it
should be... but it's a post, not an essay, so get over the correction making pweez
(from now on though I will put some effort into not making silly typos [typose/typo's/typos' ???])
-I mean... I'll be good
The plur rainbow will be enforced and carried on strong at Silicone Valley April 9th 2004 :)
PLUR-RAINBOW-KRU
JamesMPosted: 31 Mar 2004, 11:02am
Closet Timminist pweez should be please
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"I am Nirvana" - Torque
Mr. ĸąňďı of the plurainbow kru| QUOTE (JamesM @ Mar 31 2004, 11:02 AM) |
| pweez should be please |
i giv up jamez
The plur rainbow will be enforced and carried on strong at Silicone Valley April 9th 2004 :)
PLUR-RAINBOW-KRU
JamesMPosted: 31 Mar 2004, 11:07am
Closet Timminist My work here is done.
Sooooo, back on topic:
What sort of shit does Guyver play? The normal sort of cheesy stuff on Tidy?
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'Most Outspoken RA'er'
'Biggest Sexual Deviant'
'Funniest RA'er'
'Closet Junglist'
Honourable Mentions:
'Bitchiest RA'er'
'Most Likely To Burn Out'
'RA Counsellor'
'Best Bedroom DJ'
'Messiest RA'er'
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"I am Nirvana" - Torque
TwistenPosted: 31 Mar 2004, 11:13am
Kristen| QUOTE (wojtek @ Mar 31 2004, 11:10 AM) |
| QUOTE (JamesM @ Mar 31 2004, 10:47 AM) | | QUOTE (babyraver @ Mar 31 2004, 10:26 AM) | | QUOTE (Twisten @ Mar 31 2004, 10:23 AM) |
he's still learning how to spell properly in school
|
You title is right... your such a sweetheart |
That should be:
you're |
But alas my dear James M, the word you are looking for is your not you're |
actually woj, i believe that babyraver stated:
You title is right... your such a sweetheart
therefore it should be
Your title is right... you're such a sweetheartall that matters is i'm a sweetheart anyway, doesn't matter how you spell it
"...and if you search your soul i know you'll find you never really knew me..."
JamesMPosted: 31 Mar 2004, 11:15am
Closet Timminist Damn, had me confused for a second!
1st Annual raveadelaide.net Awards
Winner of:
'Most Outspoken RA'er'
'Biggest Sexual Deviant'
'Funniest RA'er'
'Closet Junglist'
Honourable Mentions:
'Bitchiest RA'er'
'Most Likely To Burn Out'
'RA Counsellor'
'Best Bedroom DJ'
'Messiest RA'er'
JamesM - Treading a fine line between confidence and arrogance since 1982
"I am Nirvana" - Torque
Mr. ĸąňďı of the plurainbow kru I believe that this thread is titled "Tidy Trax Tour - Lab 4, Guyver, Warp Bros."
Not "The Punctuation And Spelling Correction Thread"
Now: I shall not be going to this event... as I just won't be... that is my reason. Bye-Bye Now
The plur rainbow will be enforced and carried on strong at Silicone Valley April 9th 2004 :)
PLUR-RAINBOW-KRU
KrissyPosted: 31 Mar 2004, 11:19am
Guru YAY im excited about this one!!! krissy = big fan of Lab4!
JamesMPosted: 31 Mar 2004, 11:20am
Closet Timminist The now on the end of your sentence should have a lower case n
Back on topic...
Can someone tell me what to expect from this Guyver fellow?
1st Annual raveadelaide.net Awards
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'Biggest Sexual Deviant'
'Funniest RA'er'
'Closet Junglist'
Honourable Mentions:
'Bitchiest RA'er'
'Most Likely To Burn Out'
'RA Counsellor'
'Best Bedroom DJ'
'Messiest RA'er'
JamesM - Treading a fine line between confidence and arrogance since 1982
"I am Nirvana" - Torque
TwistenPosted: 31 Mar 2004, 11:20am
Kristen| QUOTE (babyraver @ Mar 31 2004, 11:18 AM) |
I believe that this thread is titled "Tidy Trax Tour - Lab 4, Guyver, Warp Bros." Not "The Punctuation And Spelling Correction Thread" Now: I shall not be going to this event... as I just won't be... that is my reason. Bye-Bye Now |
*cough underager cough*
sorry you left that one wide open
"...and if you search your soul i know you'll find you never really knew me..."
TorquePosted: 31 Mar 2004, 11:22am Mother Fuckin Ruthless Villian
He plays/makes hard trancey, kinda stuff...I got a few tunes of his, they sometimes sound a bit tidyish...i.e-commercial.
"I'm a perfect example of someone thats better then you"
JamesM to Sketchy John, 14/3/04
JamesMPosted: 31 Mar 2004, 11:24am
Closet Timminist OK cool, but it's not as if when I hear him i'm going to want to stab myself in the eye with my spoon is it?
And well, the Warp Brothers...*cough*
Looks like yet again the locals will make the party!
1st Annual raveadelaide.net Awards
Winner of:
'Most Outspoken RA'er'
'Biggest Sexual Deviant'
'Funniest RA'er'
'Closet Junglist'
Honourable Mentions:
'Bitchiest RA'er'
'Most Likely To Burn Out'
'RA Counsellor'
'Best Bedroom DJ'
'Messiest RA'er'
JamesM - Treading a fine line between confidence and arrogance since 1982
"I am Nirvana" - Torque
Smooth Criminal ha.... maybe we could justchill at my joint, listen to decent beats and get really ******
I don't drink brass monkey
Like to be funky
Nickname Double D
Yo eight-ball junkie...
Raver
The ravers will be the ones that make the party as always!!!
SpadgePosted: 31 Mar 2004, 12:43pm
Administrator lab 4 wont disappoint
every time they have been here i have enjoyed their set
the bang it out hard
DOSS SESSIONS - Proper Doss CuntsBegbie: Did you bring the cards?
Sick Boy: What?
Begbie: The cards, the last thing I told you was to mind the cards!
Sick Boy: Well, I've not brought them.
Begbie: It's fucking boring after a while without the cards.
Sick Boy: I'm sorry.
Begbie: Bit fucking late, like.
Sick Boy: Why didn't *you* bring them?
Begbie: 'CAUSE I FUCKING TOLD YOU TO BRING THEM, YOU DOSS CUNT!!!
TorquePosted: 31 Mar 2004, 1:10pm Mother Fuckin Ruthless Villian
| QUOTE (Spadge @ Mar 31 2004, 12:43 PM) |
lab 4 wont disappoint every time they have been here i have enjoyed their set the bang it out hard |
Yeah they do put on a good show, but it always just sounds like the same old shit, is it only me who thinks this?
"I'm a perfect example of someone thats better then you"
JamesM to Sketchy John, 14/3/04
JamesMPosted: 31 Mar 2004, 1:11pm
Closet Timminist Nah, I reckon it's a bit of 'same old same old' - hope they have some new shit to interest me.
1st Annual raveadelaide.net Awards
Winner of:
'Most Outspoken RA'er'
'Biggest Sexual Deviant'
'Funniest RA'er'
'Closet Junglist'
Honourable Mentions:
'Bitchiest RA'er'
'Most Likely To Burn Out'
'RA Counsellor'
'Best Bedroom DJ'
'Messiest RA'er'
JamesM - Treading a fine line between confidence and arrogance since 1982
"I am Nirvana" - Torque
G__Posted: 31 Mar 2004, 1:13pm
GOD Guyver - Man on the Moon
Good Hard Trancer if a bit on the cheesy side
Yoda's Love Child| QUOTE (bammbamm @ Mar 31 2004, 10:17 AM) |
| So any official word on whether or not Warp Borthers are going to be at this event? |
Well after numerous phone calls to sydney, Germany & the like .. Warp Brothers will no be attending the good friday event and have re-sheduled there tour to May.
We did try to fly them out for the one gig but they asked to re-schedule!
Keep your ticket stubs to the good friday event as it will get you a special discount on the warp brothers May event (tba).
Lab 4 & Guyver are still 100 % confirmed & DJ line ups will be up in the next few days !
PUSH .. weekly @ Traffic
coming soon:
Tidy Trax tour (Lab 4, Guyver, Warp Brothers) - Good Friday
Freeformation (Kev Energy, Sharkey, Mark Ashley) - Apr 25th
System 6 - Adelaide Cup Eve Sunday May 16
Winter Enchanted - July 3rd 04
JamesMPosted: 31 Mar 2004, 2:24pm
Closet Timminist OH NO!!! THE WARP BROTHERS AREN'T COMING!!!

What happened? Did they go insane?
*cough*
Lame joke I know.
1st Annual raveadelaide.net Awards
Winner of:
'Most Outspoken RA'er'
'Biggest Sexual Deviant'
'Funniest RA'er'
'Closet Junglist'
Honourable Mentions:
'Bitchiest RA'er'
'Most Likely To Burn Out'
'RA Counsellor'
'Best Bedroom DJ'
'Messiest RA'er'
JamesM - Treading a fine line between confidence and arrogance since 1982
"I am Nirvana" - Torque
Raver
Cheers for the update on this one Odyssey, with Lab 4 and Guyver this even is still gauranteed to go off anyways!!
How rude they didnt take up the offer to be flown over for one night haha
Demigod after many sleepless nights tossing and turning trying to work out where im gonna be partying on this night. I've decided to go to this
been itching to see guyver for a long time, and lab4 always blow the roof off!!
it dosent bother me that the warp brothers arn't comming, even though would be cool to say iv seen them, but they are just about as commercial as public domain
Really looking forward to this, cant wait to rave this out at this scenes favorite venu... st pills
Open up your eyes, let your mind be free.
Step into the light just come follow me, to the, other side where life is just a ride, you can, feel your body just slidin' into overdrive.
Release your spirit let yourself become one but don't, have regrets for the things you have done, and see, you can be whatever you wanna to be.
So open up your eyes, let your mind be free.
Demigod Yeah, the 3rd cubical in the mens toilet 2am. come alone, and dont be frightened, we'll be gental... ok that was wrong
Good thinking, we should have a meet up fo'sho! but prob organize it closer to the date i rekon, cos we'll all forget about it.
BRING IT!!!
Open up your eyes, let your mind be free.
Step into the light just come follow me, to the, other side where life is just a ride, you can, feel your body just slidin' into overdrive.
Release your spirit let yourself become one but don't, have regrets for the things you have done, and see, you can be whatever you wanna to be.
So open up your eyes, let your mind be free.
JADE IS THE COLOUR
can i obtain a refund as i only brought my ticket to see warp poofters what replacement do u have in mind 4 them, if not the offer of part refund at door shoudl stand otherwise its more false advertising:P
TobiasPosted: 31 Mar 2004, 8:41pm
:) man, i got home from a real shithouse day at work today , and looked at my mail and there was a ticket to tidy trax tour!!

THANKS heaps guys, that has seriously made my day. c u all there.
"Its not about finding more answers, its about asking deeper questions" Saul Bellow
ggrrowwllll....
| QUOTE (Odyssey @ Mar 31 2004, 02:20 PM) |
Lab 4 & Guyver are still 100 % confirmed & DJ line ups will be up in the next few days ! |
so long as these 2 acts rock up, there's no hassles!!!
no warp brothers = no worries
if ya dont wanna dance, what the f**k did u come here for?