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Production Forum Competition #4 - RESULTS, and the winners are...!
PhortePosted: 14 Jun 2006, 3:55pm
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OK here are the final results! congratulations to all who have entered. really, there arent any winners.. all the entrants in themselves are winners as they should all have learnt something new with regards to writing music using such a limitation.. 051_smartass.gif

once again, we've gone from strength to strength.. a fair few entrants this time round with a few new faces and a few returning contestants!

special thanks again go to woj for collecting and hosting the entries!

so the top 3 places are:

1st place - Obliviuss (Track 2)
2nd place - Rob (Track 11)
3rd place - Roost (Track 1)

and here are the actual scores:

Track 1 by Roost - 18 points
Track 2 by Obliviuss - 26 points
Track 3 by Turbulence - 8 points
Track 4 by Rice Bubbles - 11 points
Track 5 by Retroblaster - 12 points
Track 6 by Leeze - 4 points
Track 7 by Lasermad - 12 points
Track 8 by Peteski - 5 points
Track 9 by Cetra - 7 points
Track 10 by Leezee - 15 points
Track 11 by Rob - 20 points



for those that want to catch up, this was the original thread and this was where voting/reviews took place!
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RobPosted: 14 Jun 2006, 7:06pm
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Congratulations to Obliviuss. I had a feeling that track was going to win the first time I heard it. Congratulations also going out to everyone else. There wasn't a track that didn't have something unique and interesting about it and stand out in it's own way.

Last but not least, I hope more production competitions like these are run on a more frequent basis. 001_smile.gif
leezeePosted: 14 Jun 2006, 7:16pm
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Woohoo! 4th is great! And, erm, last is not so great.... But in my defence thats the first techno track I ever made (and in 3 hours too) 006_grin.gif . Massive congrats to Obliviuss, Rob and Roost and everyone who entered!

Where should I put the rest of the reviews?
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roostPosted: 14 Jun 2006, 7:24pm
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Cheers leez,

Im happy seeing i didnt really master the tune (that comment about eqing and mastering applied greatly to me). Thanx to woj and phorte for this comp and congrats to Obliviuss, Rob and everyone else who entered.
Matt ParkerPosted: 14 Jun 2006, 7:59pm
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congrats to obliviuss, rob and roost.

i still would have liked to have seen more constructive comments as to give a better reflection on the competition entries.

especially from all the producers invoved to be honest.
i just find it slightly amusing that someone like me, who has no interest in spending time making a track offers an opinion and the people who made them do not?? I figure if you take the time to make a track then you're doing it cos you want people to have a 'feeling' associated with it (not just.. i like that one), hence why i wrote a lengthy review.

out of curiousity, why didn't the rest of you offer opinions? If everyone has an open mind then all comments should be taken purely on a constructive level surely?... call it tips and trick if you will.

i'm not slanging off anyone before the haters start up.. just wondering why you'd spend all that time doing something you love without at least giving the other like minded producers your opinion?

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RiceBubblesPosted: 14 Jun 2006, 8:27pm
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QUOTE(Matt Parker @ Jun 14 2006, 07:59 PM)
congrats to obliviuss, rob and roost.

i still would have liked to have seen more constructive comments as to give a better reflection on the competition entries.

especially from all the producers invoved to be honest.
i just find it slightly amusing that someone like me, who has no interest in spending time making a track offers an opinion and the people who made them do not?? I figure if you take the time to make a track then you're doing it cos you want people to have a 'feeling' associated with it (not just.. i like that one), hence why i wrote a lengthy review.

out of curiousity, why didn't the rest of you offer opinions? If everyone has an open mind then all comments should be taken purely on a constructive level surely?... call it tips and trick if you will.

i'm not slanging off anyone before the haters start up.. just wondering why you'd spend all that time doing something you love without at least giving the other like minded producers your opinion?
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Totally agree on that one, I just reckon they didn't wanna boost other tracks votes since they couldn't vote for their own 015_tongue.gif

Anyway congrats to the top 3. Now that the compo is over, I'll put my opinions on all the tracks laters.
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leezeePosted: 14 Jun 2006, 9:13pm
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We couldn't vote before because it would give away which track was ours...

ANYWHO:

#2 Ok I like the kick, nice eq'ing. DnB drums are great! Would have liked it overall better without the 2 genre thing, although it's a good idea. Where's the outro? Excellent job. Very clean.

#5 Intro is great (if a little long for a 3 min track). Oh wait that IS the track. Yeah I remember this now, great ideas and not too bad production but it just NEVER drops! Hows about some bass? The intro is great. Too bad the whole song sounds like an intro...

#7 I actually really like this, but the hoovers sound cheese. The kick could use a boost in the mids. i like the break beaty bit... You made an 8 minute track but unfortunately you only had 3 minutes... Pretty cool.

#8 Ok I'll just say I hate hardcore but I think I can do this without being biased so here goes... Sounds you generated are average, but that seems to be the norm for hardcore, so I guess good job. Doesn't go anywhere but that seems to be the norm for hardcore too, so good job. OK I can't do this sorry. Effects at 2:20 sound cool tho.

#9 Bassline really doesn't do it for me. Too raw; put some effects / automation on it and it'd be ok (sortof). Nah sorry this is slightly offensive to my ears, you don't need to do so much / sound so loud, it sounds like you have something to prove! It's all about balance! Make more tunes tho, I look forward to hearing you in a year.

#11 Look, this tune is so loud! It sounds great compared to others... BUT... There are sounds in here that my ears just find offensive. I can't help but hold you to a higher standard than others because you pulled so much sound out of it, and therefore I can't accept it when at certain points in the tune I just cringe. You are an excellent producer so take that next step and get the quality perfect for the whole thing. And I also think that you could have added more variation - you had 3 mins to make a SONG, not a 3 minute snippet to put up on an online record store... You should have tried to make a song (but I know 3 mins aint really long enough for this style of music). I would have loved to hear you make a breakdown or even something just a bit off the norm. Well done though, and remember, I'm being exceptionally critical of you only because you are good.


Excellent work everybody! Hope you don't mind if I sound overly critical - I'm deliberately being a cunt, cause blowing smoke up your ass isn't going to help you.
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RiceBubblesPosted: 14 Jun 2006, 9:25pm
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QUOTE(leezee @ Jun 14 2006, 09:13 PM)
We couldn't vote before because it would give away which track was ours...

ANYWHO:

#5 Intro is great (if a little long for a 3 min track). Oh wait that IS the track. Yeah I remember this now, great ideas and not too bad production but it just NEVER drops! Hows about some bass? The intro is great. Too bad the whole song sounds like an intro...

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Yes you could, you only had to pick the first 3. And give results on that..

Also that's track 4 you are talking about.

Yeh, I never made a drop lol, I probably shoulda eh? I got lazy and went, nah that's it, I'm just sending this as is. But when Phorte extended the deadline, I was gonna shrink all that into 1 1/2 mins and add a drop halfway, but yeh already submitted it and didn't wanna add more. Also did you have subs, the track had allota bass, just no bassy hoovers.
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QUOTE(RiceBubbles @ Jun 14 2006, 10:25 PM)
Yes you could, you only had to pick the first 3. And give results on that..

Also that's track 4 you are talking about.

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Actually, I did pick the first 3 already AND gave results on that. And I WAS talking about track 5, since I gave track 4 one point beforehand (see other thread)! I just had a quick look and I gave pretty much the same criticism for track 4 so maybe thats where the confusion arises...

I just couldn't give feedback on all the tunes before, because I would have given away which ones were mine, which is why I did the rest just then (3 reviews before, 6 just then, and 2 were mine = 11 all up).

P.S. I know that the track had sub bass but it lacked any of the mid range bass (the "bassy hoovers" you refer to maybe?) which gives it punch. But you got one point from me anyway - like I said, I'm being very critical!
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PeteskiPosted: 14 Jun 2006, 10:02pm
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I wasnt that happy with the voting thats why I did not. all I got was "fuck I hate hardcore"
only a few people actually tried to give me a constructive review for those of you that did cheers.
well done Obliviuss, rob & roost good tunage.

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QUOTE(Peteski @ Jun 14 2006, 11:02 PM)
only a few people actually tried to give me a constructive review
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Haha I'm in that category - I TRIED! Sorry, thats why I said I was biased, in the end I just couldn't (and I'm serious, I know so little about what makes a hardcore track any good that I'm useless at giving feedback).
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thank you to everyone that voted and gave in depth reviews. I just have to say everyone did an awesome job and I would love to hear more work from you all.
so no one liked the first half huh? oh well I was just trying something different.
anywayz next time a competition comes along I'll be sure to put in BETTER SAMPLES 016_lol.gif OK I'll STFU now and if anyone has production questions I'll be in the producer's ask RA which I have made my new home. again cheers to everyone!


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Cetra³Posted: 14 Jun 2006, 10:48pm
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I thought my track was more shit than peteski's, and lezee's other track as well..

Why didn't I come last?
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PhortePosted: 15 Jun 2006, 2:05am
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obviously you had a few fans 003_wink.gif

once again, congratulations to the top 3 and also to everyone who entered.

with regards to voting and giving reviews even though you entered, if you look at the previous comps, everyone who entered gave reviews. suni was the best example, with a very strict review of everyone's tunes including his own as well so that you would never guess which one was his (actually, the previous two comps he wasnt happy with his own tunes and gave pretty negative reviews each time lol :D)

personally the most successful compo to date was #2 followed by #3. the amount of votes and more importantly, the amount of reviews that were given was amazing. this included reviews from EVERYONE who had entered. and i believe the sample pack in those compos was even more low quality! (i am able to host them packs and my tune for those if anyone is interested [reason]).

having said all of that, this compo was quite successful and i am happy at the amount of entrants.

maybe we'll try something new for compo #5, maybe we'll continue doing the same style. time will tell. 003_wink.gif
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Matt ParkerPosted: 15 Jun 2006, 12:33pm
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QUOTE(Peteski @ Jun 14 2006, 10:02 PM)
I wasnt that happy with the voting thats why I did not. all I got was "fuck I hate hardcore"
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now, we both know that that isn't true (i take it this is in regards to my comments)
i gave you feedback about your breakdown if you recall... which was good. The other elements I had no idea on whether they were well produced or not as I have nothing to compare them to (given I don't listen to the genre)

hardcore hasn't got the grey area many others genres afford.

so in essence you're saying you you didn't give everyone else feedback because of my comments?
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QUOTE(Phorte @ Jun 14 2006, 03:55 PM)
1st place - Obliviuss (Track 2)
2nd place - Rob (Track 11)
3rd place - Roost (Track 1)

Nice work guys - congrats 040_thumbsup.gif

Really have to say that there is such a diverse range of talent in Adelaide & can't wait to hear the quality of the next comp.

Thanx to those who voted/liked my track 001_smile.gif

Matt - Have to agree my eq's were way out of whack - price payed for rush jobs unfortunately. Will have a re-tinker with it when I get a moment & repost it in the feedback thread.

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QUOTE(Peteski @ Jun 14 2006, 11:02 PM)
I wasnt that happy with the voting thats why I did not. all I got was "fuck I hate hardcore"
only a few people actually tried to give me a constructive review for those of you that did cheers.
well done Obliviuss, rob & roost good tunage.
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I voted for your tune, not everyone hates hardcore 001_smile.gif
LasermadPosted: 15 Jun 2006, 8:28pm
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Well done everyone, had a great time listening to all the tunes and wondering what twisted effects were used to create all the different sounds.

Some much appreciated feedback in the reviews, in the previous comps i've always had criticism in regards to my tracks sounding muddy and badly mastered, (possibly because I had no concept of the mastering process back then 066_shear.gif ) so its great to see that a bit of attention to that department due to those comments has escaped criticism in that department this time round, demonstrating the usefulness this comp has in furthering your own skills.

I'd like to see some more interest from the other board members in the reviewing next time round, maybe people think its only for producers or people who have experience to give their opinions.. or maybe they just can't be bothered.. either way it would be good to find a way to drum up some more opinions somehow.

I think it should be compulsory for the producers who enter, to vote and review. Given that you can't vote for your own track it disadvantages the producers who do vote when others don't.

With regards to changing up the next comp, whilst I fully appreciate the value of learning to shape bad samples into useable ones, I would prefer to start with a few more good samples of the ambient variety. There seemed to be plenty of useable sounds from a drum n bass perspective, leaving a sparse selection of synths and one piano sample from the melodic point of view.

Anyway all just my opinion, whatever goes is good for me. Looking forward to the next round...
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I just had a question, with Khem's review of my track, he said he thought it was 1 of 2 people that made it. Which one's Khem?
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QUOTE(RiceBubbles @ Jun 15 2006, 11:24 PM)
I just had a question, with Khem's review of my track, he said he thought it was 1 of 2 people that made it. Which one's Khem?
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I can't speak for chem, but with the well produced ambient DnB sound you had going with your track riceman, I was guessing suni or phorte for track 4.

Tricked as they didn't enter this time 038_shifty.gif , but regardless, well impressed with your effort mate !

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QUOTE(Lasermad @ Jun 15 2006, 11:40 PM)
I can't speak for chem, but with the well produced ambient DnB sound you had going with your track riceman, I was guessing suni or phorte for track 4. 

Tricked as they didn't enter this time 038_shifty.gif , but regardless, well impressed with your effort mate !
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Thx lasers, yours too. Yeh I been trying to access their site for a while now to see how similar it is, but it seems down.
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Yeah, too dnb oriented samples...
Hence why I appreciate what peteski did and am surprised that he didn't get more votes, perhaps if he chose a more popular genre then it would get better marks

Anyways next time why don't you make it compulsory for people to review if they're going to vote?

I didn't really think about reviewing everyone's tracks, only briefly touching on why i enjoyed my personal top 3
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QUOTE(RiceBubbles @ Jun 16 2006, 12:07 AM)
Thx lasers, yours too. Yeh I been trying to access their site for a while now to see how similar it is, but it seems down.
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hmm, strange. i'll see whats going on with that!



Edit: here's a temporary link to our site.. d&b tunes are in the top half, starting from near the top of the page for the newest: http://plonkmedia.org/phorte/ (Days Left Behind, Eastern Shores, etc)

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also with regards to the samples being d&b orientated, i asked for ppl to submit samples that they wish to be included and the majority of ppl submitting were d&b heads.

however, one person submitted around 20 nrg-esque hoovers but frankly, i think these can all be replicated from one sample using correct phasing, chorus and eq for different sounds...
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yeah i thought it was phorte or suni.
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Out of interest, it would be cool to know what hard/soft ware everyone used to make their tunage?

I used FL5
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Agreed..

Cubase SX2, mainly using a tasty little sampler called the MOTU Mach 5.

Ok it sounds like if more of us submit a variety of better samples we'll get a better sample pack then, I can handle that 003_wink.gif

Forcing everyone who votes to review is probably a bit extreme, as a lot of people probably wouldn't bother then as it takes more time and thinking, but certainly asking for atleast a one liner comment next to each of the 3 votes saying atleast one reason why you picked that track wouldn't be that hard.
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Forcing everyone who votes to review is probably a bit extreme, as a lot of people probably wouldn't bother then as it takes more time and thinking
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they should definitely have to vote, but it aint that hard to type something as you are listening to the tune. doesnt take much extra time, if any.
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Yeah sorry, I meant the non-producers.. I definately think the producers should have to vote and review.

We want as many outside opinions as possible so i'm just afraid that forcing other board members to review aswell might deter some from bothering.. but I agree it ain't hard to write a brief comment on why you picked each track. Plus it gets a bit dubious when newbies with no posts vote with no comments.
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I'd like peoples opinions....
Who thinks we should have VST usage allowed next time?
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U know what would be really good - next time the comp gets aired in a club during the night - would be good to hear them thumping out of a decent system 049_w00t.gif

vst addition also sounds good, but it will lessen the restriction a fair deal..

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lol amateur tunes made using low quality samples being played in a club. ouch my ears.
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Right, I didn't vote b4 coz I didn't want to give points to others and not my track. I should have done what leezee did, and vote, then get my mates to vote for my track 003_wink.gif

Anyway nice to see all entries getting a few votes.

Track 1 : Theres some good ideas in this track. I rekon the beats and bass let it down a bit. They sound too raw need more FX to give more punch. The structure to the track is quite good - the first minute is well done, the breakdown at 1 min is well executed, the 2nd minute could use some more variation though. Man those drums need to be beefed up - compress, distort, EQ, reeverb etc. The melody is good, love the use of the organ stabs. Some nice sqidgey bass sounds too. Good effort.

Track 2 : Can see how peeps have voted as first. And yeah the start sucks when contrasted with the 1 minute mark onwards, so I'll just comment from 1 min onwards. The amen drum edits are phukin great mate. The lead is phukin rokin - brain tearing reece line, and the bass cuts sit in nicely there. If I could suggest anything, I'd say the beats are kinda stop start a bit - they could just roll a bit better - there sounds like theres one drum loop thats at half speed - thats just a minor thing though. Awesome production, at times it sounds like release quality dnb, just needs a bit more consistent finishing, but yeah a bee's dick short of an awesome track.

Track 3 : Really quiet mix here, I think ya kinda stuffed something up in the mix down. Bit of hooverage going on - cool, the kick n snare are kinda pumping nicely there, but the track as a whole sounds a bit lacking - maybe put in a bazzline, yeah more low end. Use less hoovers in the 2nd half, or vary it more. The vocal usage aint too flash, it just kinda sounds naff when slowed down to that bpm, could try cut ups or filtering for variation.

Track 4 : Nice atmospheric dnb here. Diggin this track. I call BS on peeps saying it lacks bass - this is how atmos dnb is done with the dubby sub bassline, right? Sounds better on the cans, maybe you just mixed using headphones. Anyway the track is pretty sweet, but I'd just suggest some more variation on the pads, and mix for speakers as well as headphones (The sub doesn't come out on my speakers propa - just the top bass note comes thru). Deserved more votes.

Track 5 : Load of crap, who did this? Oh me, yeah done with FL6. If anyone wants the source let me know, cheers.

Track 6 : Cool something technoey. The intro is noice and phat, and I like the sqiudgey sound, like it, but the wobbly sound at 1 min on sounds kinda naff, and then the track goes a bit downhill, sorry. The bass drop doesn't really fit. Then theres a bit that sounds a wee bit like saltnpeppa's push it, only crap, sorry. The whole track just sounds like you were experimenting. I like the intro, and I actually really like how you finished the track, how beats cut, and the bass comes out and the squidgey thing comes out, just emphasising the bits I do like in the track. Some good ideas.

Track 7 : Yeah this is quite interesting. What kind of style would you call this? Hoover house? Listening carefully, the piano sounds are very nicely done, and the warm organ sound is great too. Starts off going kinda old skool hoover techno, then warps into a house track almost? Nice production quality, I like the 2nd half of the track quite a lot. Good work, genre bending goodness deserves credit for originality.

Track 8 : Jeez I love hardcore ;P . Um, OK I don't know what's with the intro, everything is very very distorted. Then the middle section from 1 min starts sounding interesting, nice bassline and squelchy sounds, then the distorted lead at 1:20 kinda muffs it for me. Then from like 2:15 on things speed up, and now I can see what your trying to do with the track. OK, my advice, grab yer breakdown at 1:00-1:20, then run that into the faster section at 2:20 on and start a new track from that, hardcore is supposed to be fast like the last bit right?

Tack 9 : Like the vocal work here on the intro. At 1:30 I was thinking the subtle bass sits much nicer than the loud reece bit earlier, ooh bugger more of that reece - mixed just too loud dude! Yer kick drum sounds muffled, fatten the low end. The drum programming as a whole is good, and the tempo changes are cool too. Like the vocal echoing stuff quite a lot. The track as a whole is quite good, but is killed a bit by the reece bazz. Good potential.

Track 10 : Dnb is good! This track however, I can't see how it got 15 votes. Sounds like nintendo music. The beats are a bit flat - distort, compress, EQ or something, and bring them up in the mix (snare is not too bad). The reece line is nice and grunty, but sounds a bit too dominant in the mix. Not really feeling any melody here, and the percussion is too quite to set a groove. Theres some nice drum programming in there somewhere behind the bassline. Needs a better mixdown before I can be more positive.

Track 11 : Yeeaah, wicked distorted techno love it! This reminds me of stuff I've heard on vinly like Mauro Picotto or some shit. I think this track deserves equal first with Oblivious - track 2. I think maybe some more variation wouldve gotten you more votes, but your stickin to the style, representing techno very well - I totally appreciate that. This track is totally the dancefloor bidness. Quality!

My faves were tracks 2 and 11 - Oblivious was maybe at a slight advantage having contributed samples, so extra respect to Rob for that.
Then also quite liked tracks 4 and 7 too. Nice melodic stuff.
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I dont like the idea of adding VST's - just complicates things, makes less of an even playing field.
A compo with shite samples is a good test of production skills. If you wanna make tunes with VSTs, just make em and post in the production feedback thread or something.
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I agree with not having VST's. I also think next time I'll definately put in some more pads/ambient stuff. in relation to the samples being dnb orientated, I don't see how that is a problem as you can manipulate the samples any way you want.
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QUOTE(Phorte @ Jun 16 2006, 03:49 AM)

however, one person submitted around 20 nrg-esque hoovers but frankly, i think these can all be replicated from one sample using correct phasing, chorus and eq for different sounds...
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QUOTE(NARC @ Jun 16 2006, 04:02 PM)
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I have to agree with retroblaster's votes. Here's what I thought of all of them, pretty much a cnp of the top 3 I chose and contructive criticism of the rest.

Track 1:
I dunno if it's my speakers or not, but I felt the beat was a little muffled and lacking punch, needed more eq/distort/comp etc. For the samples we had I reckon you did a good job with the hoovers. If you had a stronger beat to it to compliment the hoovers, it would've been much better.

Track 2:
The start wasnt that great, but the drum n bass part was done well, the way each pattern was introduced was cool, plenty of variation in the beat, however you didnt edit the drum loops and pretty much stuck to the same loops that the samples had, which almost gave you second place for that reason. But near the end after 2 mins that totally made up for it, the sounds, and and how well the beat matched with everything was great.

Track 3:
The first time I heard this, I didn't really like it, cause the beat was muffled and sounded like you added a delay to it, with like a microsecond in time on the delay to give it that robot like sound. But that aside if you listen to this 3 times, it gets catchy, the beats are well placed and the structure of the song is awesome, if it wasn't so muffly I could see myself dancing to this. The tune and everything goes well together, just the mufflyness!

Track 4:
My track.

Track 5:
I like the background strings in this, very trancy and melodic. But I felt all of the instruments kinda clashed, but that's just me. The drops and structure was done nicely. Everything about this is good if you single things out individually, but yeh, I felt the instruments didn't match well with eachother, could be just my ears though.

Track 6:
Very dancy, nice n loud without overdoing it. Kinda felt like allota the instruments clashed in this though, but that might just be how this track was supposed to be. Felt it needed more variation and more drops.

Track 7:
The start reminds me of that olympic song with the pianos, I love that bit, and as soon as the hihats come in it sounds awesome, but then the bass and beat comes in, it sounds off tune, which kinda ruined it. Second half with the pianos was nice and melodic and it all came together nicely I reckon near the end.

Track 8:
I gave this third because it's some good hardcore considering the samples weren't made for hardcore. But technically since it's hardcore you can easily turn any sample into hardcore samples anyway The beat was cool, and was mixed up nicely and I didn't feel it was too repetitve like hardcore sometimes feels. The tune was a little weird (circus like) but went well with it anyway.

Track 9:
The main tune (hoover?) in this was kinda overpowering. Like many have said, the slow build coming up half way is nice and feels like a great build up, and I love build ups. But yeh that hoover string soundy thingo was just too strong. Maybe quiet it down a little and add more bass to it. I love that bit where the chick is saying dancing and the eq sounded like it's pushing all her voice into the high frequencies, very nicely done that part.

Track 10:
Drops and structure was done nicely I reckon. The tune and how you add the bass to it is great. I like a lot about this track. The only thing I felt that let it down is the tune's melody, very repetitive and non melodic. Also the beat needed even more punch, it was already punchy, but still felt like it needed more.

Track 11:
This was probably the most profesionally done track, but it was too loud and too repetitive, even though distortion was kinda its theme, the volume is always in the red. I loved how well everything fitted together, nothing sounded outta place, allota the other tracks had sounds in their tracks that didnt go well with their beat etc, but this one had everything matching well with eachoter. Even though it was repetitive it still had some cool variations in it too, specially about the middle part.
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QUOTE(Mr S @ Jun 16 2006, 04:50 PM)
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no way. if u have a nice sampler why would u need anymore than the waveforms themselves? i would wager big bucks on those 20 samples being created using EXTREMELY similar base waveforms. anybody who needs 20 samples to create a variety of hoovers isnt properly in touch with their equipment

btw congratulations everyone who entered

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I guess im not really in touch with my equipment then!
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well i dont know it just seems a little overdone
whats the main reason behind needing so many samples of a hoover in one song? im sure you agree they all come from the same base waveform
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errm who said you need to use all of them, i think it would sound utter gash with 10 different hoovers in one tune, maybe people would find it a bit easier to find the hoover they want to use if theres more choices, thats all..
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i wasnt referring to hoovers in general mate. i meant the 20 or so this one person had submitted.

its like putting in 20 reece bassline samples for a d&b sample pack. im sure you can do almost the exact same sound as all of them using the one main waveform.
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Hi Guys,

finally got some time on the weekend to fix up my eq's and tinkered a lil' bit with the track, so if you'd like to have a listen I would be most grateful 001_smile.gif

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remix..

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Fuck dude! nice improvement ! to both the EQ and the tune. Particularly evident in the intro.

I've done a bit of tweaking up of track 7 with some external VST's for a bit of fun but nothing worth putting up yet 005_mellow.gif
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